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why does south Carolina never recruit well?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:31 pm
I understand they wont ever be top 10 but they seem to always underperform?
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 3:36 pm to bdavids09
There are more people in Metro Atlanta that the entire State of SC.
Of course Al and La have smaller populations than SC so there goes that theory...
Of course Al and La have smaller populations than SC so there goes that theory...
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:05 pm to bdavids09
Never? They’ve had some good classes through the years but now UGA and Clemson are killing it. Plus they had a lame duck coach this year.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:13 pm to bdavids09
They had basically zero chance at a good class with Clemson, UGA, and UNC all recruiting at a high level, then you throw in a lame duck/fired coach and there you have it.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:18 pm to bdavids09
I mean they have in the past.
As noted, they are are now dealing with
- Clemson
- Georgia
- North Carolina
All operating at maximum capacity. So, their home turf of East Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina is basically barren for them.
That means they have to go into Atlanta and compete for the secondary players there with Auburn, Tennessee, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, etc etc. Then they have to go into Florida and compete for secondary players with basically everyone. Or they can go to the DMV and recruit against Maryland, Penn State and Ohio State who are all locking stuff down there.
It's a tough recruiting gig right now.
As noted, they are are now dealing with
- Clemson
- Georgia
- North Carolina
All operating at maximum capacity. So, their home turf of East Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina is basically barren for them.
That means they have to go into Atlanta and compete for the secondary players there with Auburn, Tennessee, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, etc etc. Then they have to go into Florida and compete for secondary players with basically everyone. Or they can go to the DMV and recruit against Maryland, Penn State and Ohio State who are all locking stuff down there.
It's a tough recruiting gig right now.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:21 pm to Crowknowsbest
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They had basically zero chance at a good class with Clemson, UGA, and UNC all recruiting at a high level, then you throw in a lame duck/fired coach and there you have it.
They probably can't get a top 10 class, but top 25 every year is absolutely in reach. You don't need 5* guys to bring in solid classes.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:09 pm to Hill Country
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They probably can't get a top 10 class, but top 25 every year is absolutely in reach
Which is basically what they were doing under Muschamp
2016 - #25
2017 - #21
2018 - #18
2019 - #21
2020 - #19
And even back under Spurrier
2009 - #14
2010 - #34
2011 - #17
2012 - #15
2013 - #20
2014 - #19
2015 - #20
They've been a #20-25 recruiting program for a decade or so.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:28 pm to bdavids09
Dabo and Mack effect
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:37 pm to bdavids09
Have you ever noticed how many in state players that are lower to mid level 3 stars guys SC has had that blow up in college and the pros? I believe the state has lots of overlooked talent. Recent example-"Debo" Clemsin being good has them recruiting on a more national level. That doesnt hurt. SC actually got most of who they wanted instate under Muschamp. When classes get reranked it always seemed like the ranking improved, sometimes dramatically
Posted on 12/18/20 at 6:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Which is basically what they were doing under Muschamp
2016 - #25
2017 - #21
2018 - #18
2019 - #21
2020 - #19
And even back under Spurrier
2009 - #14
2010 - #34
2011 - #17
2012 - #15
2013 - #20
2014 - #19
2015 - #20
They've been a #20-25 recruiting program for a decade or so.
Good research and data. Spurrier was able to have some success recruiting like that, but he is a HOF coach.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 8:38 am to Lonnie Utah
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There are more people in Metro Atlanta that the entire State of SC.
If Cary, North Carolina was in South Carolina, it would be the largest city in the state.
Posted on 12/24/20 at 9:02 am to bdavids09
You ever been to Columbia???
Posted on 12/26/20 at 3:49 pm to wizatlanta
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You ever been to Columbia???
They have Fort Jackson and Augusta, GA is nearby.
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:52 pm to bdavids09
Location has little to nothing to do with it. Clemson is in south Carolina too.
Here's the deal, If you have a chance to play at a traditional power and possibly win a title you don't go to south Carolina. Tradition means a lot more than people give it credit. Look at college basketball. Kansas, duke, Kentucky, north Carolina, etc, are always ranked high in recruiting. That's not coincidence. People say, look at Clemson. Clemson has always been a good program. Won the 81 national title. They've always been competitive nationally. Always been bowl team. South Carolina has not.
Here's the deal, If you have a chance to play at a traditional power and possibly win a title you don't go to south Carolina. Tradition means a lot more than people give it credit. Look at college basketball. Kansas, duke, Kentucky, north Carolina, etc, are always ranked high in recruiting. That's not coincidence. People say, look at Clemson. Clemson has always been a good program. Won the 81 national title. They've always been competitive nationally. Always been bowl team. South Carolina has not.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:54 am to Digger
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Have you ever noticed how many in state players that are lower to mid level 3 stars guys SC has had that blow up in college and the pros? I believe the state has lots of overlooked talent. Recent example-"Debo" Clemsin being good has them recruiting on a more national level. That doesnt hurt. SC actually got most of who they wanted instate under Muschamp. When classes get reranked it always seemed like the ranking improved, sometimes dramatically
But who is your current HC? That isn't looking good for South Carolina right now.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:58 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Never? They’ve had some good classes through the years but now UGA and Clemson are killing it. Plus they had a lame duck coach this year.
How you view the newly hired Beamer? Is he going to get it done? That is a tall order for him with no HC experience. If he can get some ace recruiters and start recruiting right away. Right now it is not looking good for South Carolina.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 10:54 am to bdavids09
Posted on 12/30/20 at 1:20 pm to TrueLefty
Beamer is a great recruiter, but more importantly he’s a great talent evaluator.
He had a ton of success in the DMV and in South Carolina.
He had a ton of success in the DMV and in South Carolina.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 5:28 pm to bdavids09
Because we don't get all the elite qbs and o lineman.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 5:55 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Of course Al and La have smaller populations than SC so there goes that theory...
Both AL and LA populations are slightly less than SC. SC is ranked 23, AL is 24 and LA is 25. So your point is moot.
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