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Recruiting rankings and college Teams success
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:02 am
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:02 am
Here is the Ap Poll and here is the recruiting rankings so far . I'll its not the end all and there are some players that are lowered ranked that turn out really good but as far as team rankings it has followed the polls the last few years.Not many teams making the playoff that arent ranked high in recruiting the last 5 years.I know this is current polls dealing with 2020 recruiting but just goes to show recruits flock to highly ranked teams.
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:34 am to FLObserver
Talent wins games. Coaching obviously helps, but even the best coach can't win a championship with a bad team.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:37 am to FLObserver
The point still stands but you're using future recruiting rankings to prove current AP rankings correlation... Gotta look at last several years instead... Or just use 247 team talent composite...
Posted on 9/10/19 at 7:45 am to fibonaccisquared
He's showing an illustration of success on the field breeds success in recruiting.
All of those teams are winning big and highly ranked, and kids want to be a part of winning programs.
Shows how tough it is for a school to make that break into this level, as you generally need one to have the other.
All of those teams are winning big and highly ranked, and kids want to be a part of winning programs.
Shows how tough it is for a school to make that break into this level, as you generally need one to have the other.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 8:08 am to IStillMissDanny
The problem with that is that those teams were generally ranked about in that spot before the games were played this season... Their 2019 rankings had nothing to do with the 2020 commitments they have currently...
It's just some misplaced correlation... It exists, but the visuals chosen don't really support the claim very well.
It's just some misplaced correlation... It exists, but the visuals chosen don't really support the claim very well.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:11 am to fibonaccisquared
It helps, but you need coaching. Looking at the team composite, FSU has the SIXTH most talented roster, NOT playing like it
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:25 am to Todd Fagan
We always had high classes with Les... unfortunately they were mostly skill positions. Give me a 4 and 5 star OL/DL and 3 star skill positions all day.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:24 am to FLObserver
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Not many teams making the playoff that arent ranked high in recruiting the last 5 years (1st point). I know this is current polls dealing with 2020 recruiting but just goes to show recruits flock to highly ranked teams (2nd point).
The illustrations in your post relate more to your 2nd point -- that generally speaking, top recruits want to play at top programs with very talented teammates. And the following relates more to your 1st point: 2019 College Football Team Talent Composite
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:19 am to NashvilleTiger09
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We always had high classes with Les... unfortunately they were mostly skill positions. Give me a 4 and 5 star OL/DL and 3 star skill positions all day.
this we were blinded when we were starting losing in the trenches.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:37 am to FLObserver
Stars don't matter. Those ranking sites just play to the teams with the most subscribers. Look at all the 5 star busts. Look at all the 3 star NFL players.
etc. etc. etc.
etc. etc. etc.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:57 pm to FLObserver
I really think it only goes as far as the 5 stars though, and there's only so many of those. Beyond that recruiting rankings are a crapshoot, but anyone who watches football can pick out a five star.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:56 pm to Miznoz
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I really think it only goes as far as the 5 stars though
If this were true, Bama would sign 5-6 5 stars per year and then an equal mix of 4, 3, 2 stars. There is reason that the ranking sites and the best teams all seem to agree on who the best players are.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 5:18 pm to armtackledawg
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Stars don't matter.
Evidence claims otherwise
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:36 pm to armtackledawg
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Look at all the 5 star busts. Look at all the 3 star NFL players.
math is super hard... Look at the PERCENTAGE of 5, 4, and 3 stars that make it to the NFL and get back to me.
Seems totally reasonable to compare an annual subgroup of 30ish to one that's significantly larger...
Roughly 300 kids are 4 star (10x) and more than 1000 kids end up ranked 3 star (I stopped counting... But thats over 30x)...
Edit to add: Also worth noting that the cutoff between 4 and 5 star while rigid in practice is not really a huge delineation between the 32nd and 33rd ranked kid. There's a strong correlation to recruits ranked in the top 50/100/150/etc... There's been enough articles on it at this point that if you don't believe it, I'd likely assume you are equally likely to believe in flat Earth logic.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
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fibonaccisquared
I thought armtackle was being facetious.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:43 am to FLObserver
It helps but it's not the end all. Kirby had us at no. 3 in recruiting when we were 8-5. Florida had a great rebound year last year and haven't taken advantage of it in recruiting.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 4:30 am to Dawgsontop34
If so, I clearly missed it..
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:14 pm to armtackledawg
The top ranked, blue chip kids do make a difference when the program also has blue chip recruits for depth.
Using the NFL isn't an accurate measure, as being drafted is an individual honor and doesn't necessarily add up to wins for the team.
The key is recruiting the 5 stars and developing like they are 3 stars. Some coaches are recruiters, some are developers, and the elite do both.
Using the NFL isn't an accurate measure, as being drafted is an individual honor and doesn't necessarily add up to wins for the team.
The key is recruiting the 5 stars and developing like they are 3 stars. Some coaches are recruiters, some are developers, and the elite do both.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:18 pm to FLObserver
Recruiting and evaluation used to be based on playing football with your team during football season, now it's all elite 11, camps, 7 on 7 etc. I'm very sorry for picking on this good kid again, but QB King had 3tds 5 ints half way through his season.
How is that 5 star?
How is that 5 star?
Posted on 10/5/19 at 1:01 am to djsdawg
There are a lot of reasons for the relationship between recruiting rankings and on field play.
Another is that the "analysts" trust the higher ranked coaches' evaluations more. In some cases like Saban, who is a great evaluator, it is reasonable in other cases no.
Related to the above, the Alabama/OSU/etc. bumps have validity.
Look at the history of many of the rankings and see how erratic (sometimes dropping or rising 100s of points and back) many are and most may not be erratic but still change significantly.
But overall higher ranked classes usually result in better teams on the field but there are exceptions where good teams were not that highly ranked - except for the top 4 or 5.
Another is that the "analysts" trust the higher ranked coaches' evaluations more. In some cases like Saban, who is a great evaluator, it is reasonable in other cases no.
Related to the above, the Alabama/OSU/etc. bumps have validity.
Look at the history of many of the rankings and see how erratic (sometimes dropping or rising 100s of points and back) many are and most may not be erratic but still change significantly.
But overall higher ranked classes usually result in better teams on the field but there are exceptions where good teams were not that highly ranked - except for the top 4 or 5.
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