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Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:29 pm to burbank
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:29 pm to burbank
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25 a year.. PERIOD, and if you sign a guy who does not make it in, you lose that slot fir the year.( unlike Big Xii)
.. If you signed less than 25 for a year under the 85 limit, then you can count a signee back to that year or take a guy at midterm. Thems the rules.
Again, if you only have 15 scholarships to give on signing day and you sign 25, you may be within the SEC "rules", but you're oversigned. I don't see why this is hard to grasp, but apparently it is.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:36 pm to TSipper
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Again, if you only have 15 scholarships to give on signing day and you sign 25, you may be within the SEC "rules", but you're oversigned. I don't see why this is hard to grasp, but apparently it is.
When has this happened, friend?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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When has this happened, friend?
Bama does this every year.
Bama has signed 26, 25, 26 and 22 the last 4 years. That's 99 players (not including any redshirts they had previously) over 4 years to only 85 scholarships allowed by the NCAA.
This isn't even debatable.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:19 am to TSipper
You are confusing the 25 signee limit w/ the 85 scholly limit, dipshit. You aren't accounting for attrition from Bama's program.
To give you an example that's close to home, UTx has signed the following:
2011 - 22
2012 - 28
2013 - 15
2014 - 23
which equals 88. Which, you may notice, is more than 85. Every school does this.
The 85 scholly limit doesn't matter on signing day because the recruits aren't actually on scholarship until the fall when school starts. You just have to make sure your total is at 85 when the classes begin. That happens when players are lost over the summer due to attrition, such as transferring to get more playing time (such as when Joeckel transferred to TCU) or transferring because your current coach is an incompetent (such as when Gilbert transferred to SMU). Also, kids get placed on medical schollies, fail out, etc.
If you actually think that any team, SEC or otherwise, has ever carried more than 85 scholarship players at any time, you have no idea what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:43 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:23 am to TSipper
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Bama does this every year.
Bama has signed 26, 25, 26 and 22 the last 4 years. That's 99 players (not including any redshirts they had previously) over 4 years to only 85 scholarships allowed by the NCAA.
LOL, this is what Clemson fans have said about USC with their recruiting over the years. USC has signed:
2014: 21
2013: 21
2012: 25
2011: 32
That's a total of 99 players, same as Alabama. I mean, if you sign the maximum 25 every cycle, you end up with 100 scholarship players in 4 years.
But recruiting class #s definitely DO NOT tell an accurate story of how the program roster is built. It doesn't show which signed prospects fail to pass admissions, and never enroll.
It counts signed prospects TWICE who signed one year, fail to make passing test scores and go the prep school route, then sign again with the same program a year later.
It doesn't count prospects who leave the program voluntarily or otherwise: of the 2011 class for USC, Angelo Watley got dismissed for running against the law, Quincey McKinney and Edward Muldrow failed to pass admissions and went to JUCO, Kyle Harris quit football and left the program, and Ronnie Martin, Martay Maddox, Tanner McEvoy, Sheldon Royster, and Ahmad Christian all transferred out of the program - not because they were forced out, but because they were buried on the depth charts and wanted a better opportunity, or for other reasons (highly rated Royster dealt with diabetes and wanted to be closer to home, Christian was slated to be a starting DB for USC next season but also wanted to be closer to home in FL).
Also the class #s don't tell of some players who only stay in CFB 3 yrs then leave early for the NFL. USC has had 2 from the '11 class in Clowney and Quarles. Further, it doesn't show how many of those signed prospects are JUCO transfers who have 3 to play 2...
Of the above 2011 class, 11 of the 32 either won't finish their full eligibility at USC, or never made it there to begin with. The coaching staffs have to deal with that every off-season, and try to compensate for it with every cycle. And not just in the SEC either....
And the reason why USC had a 32-player class for 2011? The 2010 class that had Marcus Lattimore in it was 23 in size. signed players Javon Bell & DuVon Millsap went the JUCO route, Brandon Golson also failed admissions but chose to go to Louisville instead because they took partial qualifiers, and Quarles and Brison Williams went to prep for year (they are counted in the 2011 class). That turned the 23-player class into a 18-player class, and gave USC opportunities to count back a number of prospects for the '11 class. Which they did. 18 + 32 = 50, or 25-player classes for both the '10 & '11 cycles. See how that works?
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:37 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:54 am to ConwayGamecock
State legislature needs to threaten to shut both of these camps (ND and PSU) down. I doubt they have a legitimate legal basis currently, but a threat to cut some funding for a public institution should hit home. I can't imagine how this helps Georgia (the state, not UGA) at all.
Since that's extremely unlikely, SEC schools and ACC schools in the Southeast should stop scheduling GSU until this practice stops.
If neither of those happen, I don't think there should be a panic. How many top tier kids from the Southeast would seriously consider going to ND/PSU over a UGA/USCe/UF/Bama/AU/LSU/FSU/Clemson? Very few. I would guess that number will remain unchanged even in the light of these two camps.
Those who should really be worried IMO are Ole Miss, Miss St, UT, Kentucky, Vandy, Georgia Tech, etc.
Since that's extremely unlikely, SEC schools and ACC schools in the Southeast should stop scheduling GSU until this practice stops.
If neither of those happen, I don't think there should be a panic. How many top tier kids from the Southeast would seriously consider going to ND/PSU over a UGA/USCe/UF/Bama/AU/LSU/FSU/Clemson? Very few. I would guess that number will remain unchanged even in the light of these two camps.
Those who should really be worried IMO are Ole Miss, Miss St, UT, Kentucky, Vandy, Georgia Tech, etc.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:01 am to ConwayGamecock
Solid explanations from you guys. 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:03 am to TSipper
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Of course. The math is fairly easy to do, even for an Aggy.
You mad
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:51 am to TSipper
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Bama does this every year. Bama has signed 26, 25, 26 and 22 the last 4 years. That's 99 players (not including any redshirts they had previously) over 4 years to only 85 scholarships allowed by the NCAA. This isn't even debatable.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:23 am to TSipper
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I understand that certain schools in the SEC do not oversign. But again, if the conference has no rule against it, then it is by definition, a collective conference decision to allow oversigning.
Tsips, ladies and gentlemen!
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:46 am to Roger Klarvin
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You mad
he wrong, too.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 am to Jobu93
Think he comes back in to this thread?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:16 am to gatorhata9
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Think he comes back in to this thread?
"As a dog returns to its vomit, a fool returns to his folly".
So says the Old Testament.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:24 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Does that LSU fan still want tu in the conference?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:59 am to gatorhata9
quote:Maybe as a third alter.
Think he comes back in to this thread?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:50 am to Porter Osborne Jr
First post,
Back to the main point, I think programs should be allowed to set up official camps like a once a year off their own campus. This would allow some recruits, that probably couldn't travel to a northern school, the opportunity to get to know the coaches a little bit more. I think it would be really interesting to see where certain programs hold their camps.
Back to the main point, I think programs should be allowed to set up official camps like a once a year off their own campus. This would allow some recruits, that probably couldn't travel to a northern school, the opportunity to get to know the coaches a little bit more. I think it would be really interesting to see where certain programs hold their camps.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:58 am to Recruitinomics
So who's paying for these camps and what facilities are they using? Other high schools?
So you think it would be smart to allow ohio state to travel to the top high school in floridayl and pay that high school to use their facilities to put on a camp?
I can see how universities would then start "buying" the pipeline if you will.
So you think it would be smart to allow ohio state to travel to the top high school in floridayl and pay that high school to use their facilities to put on a camp?
I can see how universities would then start "buying" the pipeline if you will.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:01 pm to Recruitinomics
So, as a UF fan you would be okay with every team in the SEC and Big 10 working camps in Florida since it's one of the best at putting out athletes.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:01 pm to Swaggit
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I can see how universities would then start "buying" the pipeline if you will.
This has already happened with an SEC school and a high school in Florida. It didn't involve a camp, but the facilities were used and then considerable upgraded by the university.
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