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4* S/LB Kaine Williams announcing in 7 days
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:42 pm
CB's rolling in for Alabama now, our guys say Bama swayed him from A&M where he wanted to commit to a few weeks back. We are currently out wanting to still evaluate him through senior year since there are no camps, he has seemingly outgrown the S position and looking like a LB now.
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Williams' 247 profile
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:49 pm to thunderbird1100
Per Watts, Alabama origianlly wanted to see him in camp but decided they were comfortable with their eval. It also sounds like we're going to start making some decisions on guys that we might normally wait on for camps since camps are probably out of the equation.
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Kaine Williams is a guy the 'Bama staff liked early on but was in that group that they wanted to see in camp, which is basically most of the board. Williams was in the same boat with LSU where they wanted to see him in camp. Primary reasons imo was to see him workout at LB, in addition to S, because with his frame he could grow into that position rather easily. With camps off the board, it appears the UA staff has to make a decision without the benefit of camp and have decided to take Kaine per our latest intel.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It also sounds like we're going to start making some decisions on guys that we might normally wait on for camps since camps are probably out of the equation.
Saban taking notes from Proot, who would’ve ever thought.
In all seriousness though, there will not be football played this fall so it’s best that coaches start embracing the fact that in person evals will be very difficult. Digital krootin will be the norm this cycle
Posted on 5/7/20 at 2:57 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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In all seriousness though, there will not be football played this fall so it’s best that coaches start embracing the fact that in person evals will be very difficult. Digital krootin will be the norm this cycle
Yea - I think they waited as long as they could, especially on some of the tweeners and borderline kids (Williams falls in that group).
The elite kids that we are in on I don't think they changed anything on, but some of these guys like Williams and other Top 150/200 guys they'd almost always want to see in camp. Just not going to be a thing anymore so you are going to have to take the risk and trust what you see on film and measurables.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Just not going to be a thing anymore so you are going to have to take the risk and trust what you see on film and measurables.
Tbh I’m pretty comfortable with our staff evaluating off mostly film. On Campus camps just serve to show whether a kid can take hard coaching or not, and just about every one of our targets have been to Knoxville for camps prior to this year.
Would imagine most SEC staffs are in a similar boat. Probably hurts our conference less than most due to the concentration of football talent in the Southeast.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:02 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Spring and summer evaluation just isnt happening so alot fans will be surprised by some guys taken. Alot of guys with 3 star place holder evaluations have 4/5* potential but will never get in front of those all important camps. Alot of kids might not have senior filmthat would make or break them for college options.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:03 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Tbh I’m pretty comfortable with our staff evaluating off mostly film. On Campus camps just serve to show whether a kid can take hard coaching or not, and just about every one of our targets have been to Knoxville for camps prior to this year.
Would imagine most SEC staffs are in a similar boat. Probably hurts our conference less than most due to the concentration of football talent in the Southeast.
I think the biggest thing those staffs like about camps, other than what you mentioned, is the ability to see these kids do specific drills and watch their twitch and other movement abilities. Phil Savage had an entire section in his book about Saban's template for kids at certain positions and a huge part of it is quick twitch, movement, etc because it is projectable as a kid gets bigger and his body matures.
I'm sure Pruitt is similar as I know he (along with Kirby) were two of Saban's most trusted evaluators of that next-level projectable stuff with backers and secondary guys, which is why there were/are always 3-star guys who we offer at camps and commit who then blow up into 4/5 star guys once everybody else sees them at camps (that and the Bama bump, obviously).
They really only get to see that sort of specific stuff at their camps with their own eyes, and it especially matters when you are looking at a kid and trying to decide whether he can add weight and change positions than what you've seen on film. But, that isn't a thing that exists anymore, so you gotta adapt.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:27 pm to Smokeyone
I think smaller D1 programs may benefit the most from this tbh.
There are hundreds of really good players in the SE that go completely unnoticed due to playing at a small school or for a coach that doesn’t help them in the process. These kids rely almost solely on the on-campus camps to get offers from the big boys, you see it every year with Pruitt offering a handful of kids that don’t even have recruiting profiles only for them to blow up and end up with the entire conference looming at them.
Your C-USA, Sun Belt, and AAC programs might just end up with a ton of talented kids just falling into their laps.
There are hundreds of really good players in the SE that go completely unnoticed due to playing at a small school or for a coach that doesn’t help them in the process. These kids rely almost solely on the on-campus camps to get offers from the big boys, you see it every year with Pruitt offering a handful of kids that don’t even have recruiting profiles only for them to blow up and end up with the entire conference looming at them.
Your C-USA, Sun Belt, and AAC programs might just end up with a ton of talented kids just falling into their laps.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 3:31 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Yup - agree. Think of how many of those January offers that go out to kids like Josh Jacobs at Alabama are contingent on a coach going and watching the kid play basketball or seeing then in a state championship game or something.
There will be a lot of those where coaches just aren't gonna throw out offers without some sort of in-person visual. And like you said, those kids will end up at Southern Miss or Georgia Southern instead of Auburn or South Carolina.
Not a whole lot of kids get missed these days unless that are truly hidden and do zero camps and/or they just grow or develop like crazy once they get on campus at a small school.
There will be a lot of those where coaches just aren't gonna throw out offers without some sort of in-person visual. And like you said, those kids will end up at Southern Miss or Georgia Southern instead of Auburn or South Carolina.
Not a whole lot of kids get missed these days unless that are truly hidden and do zero camps and/or they just grow or develop like crazy once they get on campus at a small school.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:08 am to sand mountainDvalues
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On Campus camps just serve to show whether a kid can take hard coaching or not
you honestly believe coaches put such an emphasis on in person evals just to see if they can be “coached hard?” Anyway, Sounds will Bama will add him. I know he’s a bit of a tweener but I’m glad they are taking a chance on him. He looks like a great athlete and Bama needs LB’s
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:13 am to Vidic
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Anyway, Sounds will Bama will add him. I know he’s a bit of a tweener but I’m glad they are taking a chance on him. He looks like a great athlete and Bama needs LB’s
I think that is what is holding A&M back on him. We don't have room to take a bunch of LBs in this class.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:28 pm to Vidic
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Bama needs LB’s
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:38 pm to Farmer1906
If this was the case, why would they take Seegars last month? A kid that y'all probably could get later in the process
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:45 pm to Vidic
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He looks like a great athlete and Bama needs LB’s
Not particularly. Alabama loaded up in the 2019 and 2020 classes. What they need is experience and staying healthy.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:01 pm to Vidic
quote:Bama signed an elite LB class last year and started 2 Freshman. So their need for LBs is no more than any other team on his list.
He looks like a great athlete and Bama needs LB’s
quote:with today's offenses, not many schools are going to pass on a kid with LB type size that can cover/ play well in space.
I know he’s a bit of a tweener but I’m glad they are taking a chance on him
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:09 pm to Monty80
Yea we certainly aren't hurting for LB/Hybrid types for the 2021 season
2021
- Deontae Lawson (LB) (4-star, #122)
2020
- Chris Braswell (LB/DE) (5-star, #19)
- Drew Sanders (LB) (5-star, #22)
- Demouy Kennedy (LB) (4-star, #38)
- Quandarrius Robinson (LB) (4-star, #64)
- Jackson Bratton (LB) (4-star, #155)
2019
- Shane Lee (LB) (4-star, #78, played as a freshman)
- Christian Harris (LB) (4-star, #110, played as a freshman)
2018
- Ale Kaho (LB) (4-star, #133)
2021
- Deontae Lawson (LB) (4-star, #122)
2020
- Chris Braswell (LB/DE) (5-star, #19)
- Drew Sanders (LB) (5-star, #22)
- Demouy Kennedy (LB) (4-star, #38)
- Quandarrius Robinson (LB) (4-star, #64)
- Jackson Bratton (LB) (4-star, #155)
2019
- Shane Lee (LB) (4-star, #78, played as a freshman)
- Christian Harris (LB) (4-star, #110, played as a freshman)
2018
- Ale Kaho (LB) (4-star, #133)
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Will Anderson too
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:44 pm to Monty80
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If this was the case, why would they take Seegars last month? A kid that y'all probably could get later in the process
I guess they liked Seegars better. Sometimes it's better to reel them in early before they blow up. Its easier sell to a kid "We wanted you and believed in you first" when Saban comes calling in Dec.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:43 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Jesus y’all are acting like I’m saying Alabama is desperate for linebackers or something. I’m saying Alabama needs linebackers in this class, like they take every fricking year
I guess i could’ve worded that better but considering the uncertainty surrounding everything that’s happening, I’m glad they’re taking someone who wants on board and could project into a great prospect
I guess i could’ve worded that better but considering the uncertainty surrounding everything that’s happening, I’m glad they’re taking someone who wants on board and could project into a great prospect
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:45 pm to Vidic
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Jesus y’all are acting like I’m saying Alabama is desperate for linebackers or something. I’m saying Alabama needs linebackers in this class, like they take every fricking year
I guess i could’ve worded that better but considering the uncertainty surrounding everything that’s happening, I’m glad they’re taking someone who wants on board and could project into a great prospect
Yea, agree. Sounds like a lot of schools see the same thing in him and all of them would probably prefer to analyze it in person at a camp, but Alabama decided to take a shot on it without it and others didn't.
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