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re: 2018 5* clemson signee Josh Belk xferring
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:45 am to Carolina_Girl
Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:45 am to Carolina_Girl
I love how even Gamecock fans are admitting that is this is looking more like shady dealings between Belk's family and a member of USC's staff.
Y'all take him. It's more common than not that these kinds of kids with this much drama attached to them don't pan out.
Y'all take him. It's more common than not that these kinds of kids with this much drama attached to them don't pan out.
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 9:10 am to CivilTiger83
Or maybe he's just trading up from Clemson and moving to Athens?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:27 am to CivilTiger83
Any Clemson fans hear anything about it being related to hazing? I have no link, just hearsay from a co-worker.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 10:30 am to UpstateCock2007
If we land Belk that would make our 2018 class even more historic and considering DT was by far the weakest group that would be insane. That said, weird that a kid is willing to sit out a year before even starting his career. Something is not adding up.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:40 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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weird that a kid is willing to sit out a year before even starting his career. Something is not adding up.
Not really. It’s the norm at Bama and most other schools. Hell, at Bama they sit their first 2 years.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:53 am to DawgRff
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Not really. It’s the norm at Bama and most other schools. Hell, at Bama they sit their first 2 years.
He had to know that going in. I mean, look at the talent Clemson was bringing back on the line. It's not like it would be a shock he would be sitting. Why transfer immediately?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:05 pm to UpstateCock2007
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Any Clemson fans hear anything about it being related to hazing? I have no link, just hearsay from a co-worker.
If by hazing you mean he was forced to work hard on the field and classroom, then yes there was hazing.
The only rumors I have heard from Gamecock fans and Clemson fans alike were that he was lazy but talented in high school, and Clemson coaches were hoping to light a fire under him once they got him into the program. But that is not totally unusual for some of these players to need a period of decruitment.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:42 pm to CivilTiger83
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If by hazing you mean he was forced to work hard on the field and classroom, then yes there was hazing.
So you don't have any clue either
Posted on 5/23/18 at 3:16 pm to CivilTiger83
Josh Belk didn’t appear lazy on the field when he went from a middling 4star to a 5star at the end of last year.
Decruitment is probably a thing. These kids come in so hyped that they probably need to a period of conditioning to realize this is college football and the demands and the competition is better but I think it’s completey over stated and over blown. If your coach was str8 up with him in the recruiting phase then you wouldnt need to de recruit him after the process of blowing his head up and promising him the world because he should know what the demands and what was expected before arriving unless you believe all recruiting is say what needs to be said to get them on campus....
Decruitment is probably a thing. These kids come in so hyped that they probably need to a period of conditioning to realize this is college football and the demands and the competition is better but I think it’s completey over stated and over blown. If your coach was str8 up with him in the recruiting phase then you wouldnt need to de recruit him after the process of blowing his head up and promising him the world because he should know what the demands and what was expected before arriving unless you believe all recruiting is say what needs to be said to get them on campus....
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:18 pm to CivilTiger83
Assume, for the sake of argument, it was shady dealings between Belk's family and a USC coach, probably Lance Romance.
Dabo knows there was tampering, and still grants the unconditional release?
Now you could claim that he's just such a nice guy or whatever, but there isn't a successful football coach in the NCAA who would just go along with allowing a school to actively recruit their players.
The more logical conclusion is that there's a reason he's unwilling to restrict the transfer due to alleged tampering. May not want the NCAA sniffing around Belk's recruitment?
Dabo knows there was tampering, and still grants the unconditional release?
Now you could claim that he's just such a nice guy or whatever, but there isn't a successful football coach in the NCAA who would just go along with allowing a school to actively recruit their players.
The more logical conclusion is that there's a reason he's unwilling to restrict the transfer due to alleged tampering. May not want the NCAA sniffing around Belk's recruitment?
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:49 am to UpstateCock2007
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Any Clemson fans hear anything about it being related to hazing? I have no link, just hearsay from a co-worker.
From Josh Belk's mouth he said that there was no hazing incidents and that rumors that he was moving to ATL for better treatment for his family member threw him for a loop. He said he felt like he picked up right where he left off Wednesday when he met with Coach Muschamp.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:51 am to Carolina_Girl
Interesting. I got a little more info on the hazing stuff from my co-worker, and he said that it had to do with Wilkins and Ferrell, and that Belk felt like he was a target. Wilkins and Ferrell thought it was all in good fun and not that bad.
That makes me feel a little better about his toughness, because hazing happens on literally every team. Some is over the top, but most of the time, its all in good fun.
That makes me feel a little better about his toughness, because hazing happens on literally every team. Some is over the top, but most of the time, its all in good fun.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:05 am to HoldenOversoul
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Assume, for the sake of argument, it was shady dealings between Belk's family and a USC coach, probably Lance Romance.
Dabo knows there was tampering, and still grants the unconditional release?
Now you could claim that he's just such a nice guy or whatever, but there isn't a successful football coach in the NCAA who would just go along with allowing a school to actively recruit their players.
The more logical conclusion is that there's a reason he's unwilling to restrict the transfer due to alleged tampering. May not want the NCAA sniffing around Belk's recruitment?
You could also make the assumption that if Dabo knows about the tampering, he's letting Muschamp have him on purpose. Maybe shine some light on it after the fact to make ol Boom look like a clown?
If you're going to go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, there is no end to the craziness that people will put forth as absolute truths.
In reality, it doesn't seem like anyone at Clemson was that impressed with the kid, therefore they aren't concerned with where he ends up.
Dabo's official stance has been that he believes the NCAA is going to make transfers unconditional very soon, and he doesn't see the value in holding a kid back who has never taken a snap for him.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:12 am to IStillMissDanny
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In reality, it doesn't seem like anyone at Clemson was that impressed with the kid, therefore they aren't concerned with where he ends up.
This is the interesting part. When I brought up the possibility of Belk transferring to an avid clemson fan that works with me, he was skeptical because he said that he heard that Belk was going to be a stud, this and that. The moment that it became clear that Belk was indeed transferring, all of a sudden the narrative switches to he's lazy and no one cares where he goes.
If I leave any level of bias at the door, most would portray a transfer out that transpired like this in a negative light so I'm not implying clemson fans are doing anything that anyone else wouldn't do, just find it interesting how the story on this kid changes so drastically over the course of a week.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:39 am to IStillMissDanny
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he doesn't see the value in holding a kid back who has never taken a snap for him.
Then why won't he let kids that have committed but not signed with y'all visit other schools?
Posted on 5/24/18 at 10:43 am to GameCocky88
I agree completely with what you're saying. Sour grapes and all that. Fans look at players and see 4-5 stars, going to be a stud, all that.
The coaches are with the players every day. Fans saw him at the Spring Game, where he didn't play much, but he wasn't noticeable when he was in, but that didn't change the fact I hoped we had a great one.
I also haven't noticed a single player having been quoted wishing him well after his announcement. We've heard of several wishing the best to the QB transfers.
It's a strange situation, to say the least, and I have to stand by the stance that the coaches don't really care.
The coaches are with the players every day. Fans saw him at the Spring Game, where he didn't play much, but he wasn't noticeable when he was in, but that didn't change the fact I hoped we had a great one.
I also haven't noticed a single player having been quoted wishing him well after his announcement. We've heard of several wishing the best to the QB transfers.
It's a strange situation, to say the least, and I have to stand by the stance that the coaches don't really care.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 11:08 am to Carolina_Girl
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Then why won't he let kids that have committed but not signed with y'all visit other schools?
Dabo's stance is a commitment means something. If you still want to visit other schools that's great, it just means you are not ready to commit to us.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:14 pm to CivilTiger83
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Dabo's stance is a commitment means something. If you still want to visit other schools that's great, it just means you are not ready to commit to us.
Can you explain why Dabo is quick to flip someone committed to another school? He is a fraud and hypocrite.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:37 pm to Glory, Glory
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Can you explain why Dabo is quick to flip someone committed to another school? He is a fraud and hypocrite.
If a kid flips, he obviously wasn't very committed, was he. He tries not to take commitments until the kids are ready to cancel any other visits.
I don't see what's hypocritical about this.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:54 pm to Glory, Glory
I agree with the idea that a commitment should mean something, but the rules seem to be applied on a case by case basis. I know certain prospects have been allowed to continue taking visits in the past. Kids decommitting sucks for the school they leave, but coaches leave all the time, so it's just the nature of the game at this point.
Back to Belk, the whole situation is bizarre, and I doubt we are going to get a definite answer from anyone as to what happened. Could be hazing, a sick family member, buyer's remorse on Belk's part, or tampering.
I just personally have a very hard time believing any program would allow another team to actively recruit a player who has signed a LOI and enrolled. Especially not their in state rival. Even if they don't think he's going to turn out to be a great player, that's something you have to take a stand on just on the principle of it.
Back to Belk, the whole situation is bizarre, and I doubt we are going to get a definite answer from anyone as to what happened. Could be hazing, a sick family member, buyer's remorse on Belk's part, or tampering.
I just personally have a very hard time believing any program would allow another team to actively recruit a player who has signed a LOI and enrolled. Especially not their in state rival. Even if they don't think he's going to turn out to be a great player, that's something you have to take a stand on just on the principle of it.
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