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Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:44 pm to DWag215
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:44 pm to DWag215
I said this when it was announced aTm was joining the SEC. It would greatly help them in recruiting. Reason is most Texas recruits like to stay home in Texas, but a lot of them are wanting to play in the SEC. There is only one school who can offer both. aTm will continue to recruit big and become a long time success in SEC football. That of course is my opinion and only time will prove it wrong or right.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:44 pm to GenesChin
quote:im assuming after 1998? And what are you not understanding? There is enough talent in texas for both us and tu to coexist. OU is quickly getting their asses shut out of texas because of a rising a&m. No one is saying tu will always stay down. And we more than competed with tu from the mid 80s up until mack attack and bob stoops came around in 98
Lived in Texas for a few years
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/4/13 at 12:58 pm to WestCoastAg
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You have no idea how badly stoops has been shut out in texas. They are totally being pushed to #3 in the state when it comes to recruiting. And as the other said, you have absolutely 0 understanding of anything regarding a&m and tu
Lived in Texas my whole life and he's absolutely right, stop being so butthurt about the fact that all the talk about A&M is based purely on what they could do. Trouble is they have never been an elite program for any stretch of time in over 60 years.
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They are totally being pushed to #3 in the state when it comes to recruiting
Obviously you just started to follow recruiting and college football.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:05 pm to aggressor
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It was barely a decade ago that A&M went and hired ALABAMA's coach after running off the winningest coach in SWC history because 6-6 wasn't good enough. We screwed up with that hire but it was hard to see just what a disaster Fran was going to be. It didn't help that Texas, OU, and LSU all were on the rise at the exact time we were falling down.
Bama was on probation during those years and this really is no indication of program status unless you are exclusively an A&M fan, and as we all know A&M spins everything in their favor regardless of all facts looking for moral victory after moral victory. It's okay though, maybe you'll know what it feels like to be a flagship school one day.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 2:59 pm to tiggerthetooth
Whatever. From the mid '80s to the mid '90s A&M won 6 SWC Titles, had 2 undefeated regular seasons, had the overall #1 Recruiting Class and was consistently Top 10 while owning Texas, had a string of 4 years without losing a conference game and had an even longer string of no home losses. From '84-'02 A&M didn't have a losing season. THAT is why we were able to hire Fran away from Bama, that and we money whipped him. That was before the SEC started its reign of dominance and Bama was still struggling in the post Stallings era to get their footing.
The probation is just weak. He was still Bama's coach and they definitely did not want him to leave. If Bama is a model of an elite program and A&M never has been how could that happen?
I do agree that A&M hasn't reached its potential though, that is for sure. Don't worry, it's coming soon enough.
The probation is just weak. He was still Bama's coach and they definitely did not want him to leave. If Bama is a model of an elite program and A&M never has been how could that happen?
I do agree that A&M hasn't reached its potential though, that is for sure. Don't worry, it's coming soon enough.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 3:09 pm to aggressor
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I do agree that A&M hasn't reached its potential though, that is for sure. Don't worry, it's coming soon enough.
A&M has NEVER reached its "potential" apparently, and every coach in the history of A&M football is a failure compared to the expectations you have, even though your fan base was still overly elated for a Cotton Bowl win.
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had the overall #1 Recruiting Class
Who exactly dubbed A&M this? Apparently they are the greatest underachiever in the history of all sports.
How ever did the Oklahoma's and Nebraska's and Texas's of the world ever get so lucky as to consistently beat A&M and become the historic programs that they are?
A&M must have just not felt like playing football for the past decade and a half.
I just am in shock that you actually are so convinced of what you speak.
You must only know aggy people, and have always only known aggy people that have pumped your perspective with only the highest degree of aggy bias.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 4:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
In 1987 A&M easily had the #1 Recruiting Class in the country by the pubs of the time highlighted by Darren Lewis and Randy Simmons.
A&M's potential is to be a consistent Top 10 if not Top 5 team that wins multiple NC's so no we haven't reached that. The size of our school, resources, and recruiting territory along with SEC membership make that all possible. We aren't there yet and I don't see anyone claiming we are.
If you said Florida was about to go on the run they did prior to 1990 people would have laughed. Same with LSU before Saban (probably moreso). If you really think A&M is just going to stay some little irrelevant school though go ahead.
A&M's potential is to be a consistent Top 10 if not Top 5 team that wins multiple NC's so no we haven't reached that. The size of our school, resources, and recruiting territory along with SEC membership make that all possible. We aren't there yet and I don't see anyone claiming we are.
If you said Florida was about to go on the run they did prior to 1990 people would have laughed. Same with LSU before Saban (probably moreso). If you really think A&M is just going to stay some little irrelevant school though go ahead.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 5:29 pm to tiggerthetooth
Where do you live in Texas?
Posted on 3/4/13 at 6:02 pm to tiggerthetooth
Do you need a hug?
I can give you an e-hug.
I can give you an e-hug.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 6:34 pm to StrickAggie06
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LSU wasn't anywhere close to an elite program until Saban arrived. You have a few years of success, and suddenly all LSU fans think their football program is as historically relevant as Alabama.
More relevant than A&M and that was before Saban.
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As I said already, our recruiting guys have spoken to our coaches and stated clearly that they have DSG rated higher because if on field performance. This isn't an opinion, it is a FACT.
I will take our coaches style every single day as it has produced 2 top 5 draft picks, 2 thorpe award winners, 1 Heisman finalist, 4 draft picks in the past 3 years, with a borderline 1st round and 4-5 round guy coming in this year. All of which played in one secondary.
Game tape can lie as the elite athletes are going against guys who will never make it past the friday night lights. Camp performance is against the best of the best around the country. Our coaches since Chavis and Frank Wilson have joined the staff have put a large emphasis on camp performance.
Every site has Ed Paris ranked significantly higher than DSG. The kids a 3 star on scout (nothing wrong with that at all). DSG may end up being better, but all current signs point to Paris. Surely you can understand why people think you are being a homer.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:17 pm to Adam Banks
Guys it sums up to this, whenever both brown and Paris showed interest in LSU, they were thrown under the buss by ATM fans to make themselves feel better. But if the aggies are right, then we'll find out in about 3 years.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:37 pm to Adam Banks
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More relevant than A&M and that was before Saban.
Please. LSU pre-Saban wasn't any more of an elite program than A&M, and A&M was much more successful than LSU for the 15 years prior to his arrival. Keep pretending your Alabama though if it makes yourself feel better.
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I will take our coaches style every single day as it has produced 2 top 5 draft picks, 2 thorpe award winners, 1 Heisman finalist, 4 draft picks in the past 2 years, with a borderline 1st round and 4-5 round guy coming in this year. All of which played in one secondary.
Are all LSU fans incapable of reading comprehension? No one is questioning whether LSU can evaluate DB talent or saying that Paris won't be successful at LSU. Again, show me where Miles or the other LSU coaches said they have Paris rated higher. As LSU has offered both, you don't know who the LSU staff has rated higher.
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Game tape can lie as the elite athletes are going against guys who will never make it past the friday night lights. Camp performance is against the best of the best around the country. Our coaches since Chavis and Frank Wilson have joined the staff have put a large emphasis on camp performance.
There is nothing wrong with performing well in camps. The problem is that camps don't include pads, and when a camp warrior doesn't back it up on the field it raises questions. Paris' junior film doesn't live up to the hype. As I've pointed out multiple times already, he gets burned several times in those highlights and gets bailed out by horribly underthrown balls.
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Every site has Ed Paris ranked significantly higher than DSG. The kids a 3 star on scout (nothing wrong with that at all). DSG may end up being better, but all current signs point to Paris. Surely you can understand why people think you are being a homer.
Of course the sites have Paris rated higher; he started varsity as a freshman and blew up the camp circuit prior to his junior year, whereas DSG was a relative unknown prior to a few months ago with his junior year the first for him to play varsity. In addition, there was another D1 safety prospect on his team in the 2013 class, which I'm sure didn't help his ranking out.
Scout is a joke for having DSG as a 3*, and I'm sure that will be remedied in the near future. If Paris doesn't perform better his senior year, and DSG continues to impress, don't be surprised to see those rankings change significantly. Both should end up as good players, but I'm perfectly fine with taking the guy that has better junior film and whom our coaches have rated higher (and possibly the LSU coaches as well). In the end we won't know for sure for a few years until these kids get on the field at the college level.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:49 pm to StrickAggie06
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Please. LSU pre-Saban wasn't any more of an elite program than A&M, and A&M was much more successful than LSU for the 15 years prior to his arrival. Keep pretending your Alabama though if it makes yourself feel better.
When has anyone on his website ever said that LSU matches up historically with bama? I said LSU>TAMU even pre saban. Excluding 2000-present LSU still has more AP top 25 finishes AND AP top 10 finishes than TAMU has in its entire history, higher winning %, winning head to head, and a more recent national championship. Once again this is excluding from 2000 on only for LSU. We were top 13-14 program before Saban. Now we are probably around number 8-9. We werent where we are now but we werent pre spurrier florida.
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Again, show me where Miles or the other LSU coaches said they have Paris rated higher.
Could say the same to you and Sumlin. Your "insiders" may just be trying to console themselves because yall got the less regarded prospect who hasnt performed on a high level vs elite competition.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:05 pm to Adam Banks
1939-1999
LSU:
1 national title
5 conference titles (3 outright)
.632 winning percentage
21 seasons finishing in the AP top-25
13 bowl wins
1 Heisman Trophy winner
14 consensus All-Americans
Totally forgot wins sorry.
Texas A&M:
1 national title
14 conference titles (12 outright)
.619 winning percentage
12 bowl wins
23 seasons finishing in the AP top-25
1 Heisman Trophy winner
19 consensus All-Americans
really is a wash
LSU:
1 national title
5 conference titles (3 outright)
.632 winning percentage
21 seasons finishing in the AP top-25
13 bowl wins
1 Heisman Trophy winner
14 consensus All-Americans
Totally forgot wins sorry.
Texas A&M:
1 national title
14 conference titles (12 outright)
.619 winning percentage
12 bowl wins
23 seasons finishing in the AP top-25
1 Heisman Trophy winner
19 consensus All-Americans
really is a wash
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:16 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:18 pm to WestCoastAg
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.632 winning percentage
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.619 winning percentage
I love how you added an extra percent to A&M's win percentage and took 2 points off LSU's win percentage.
So frickin aggie. Still can't add and divide poor guy.Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:19 pm to WestCoastAg
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1939-1999
LSU:
1 national title
5 conference titles (3 outright)
Wrong 7 SEC championships 10 total
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21 seasons finishing in the AP top-25
Wrong-25
ETA 14 bowl wins not 13....did you get any statistic for LSU right?
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:20 pm to tiggerthetooth
holy shite i did all of this on my fricking phone. sorry about those 3 percent, really makes a huge difference.................
and was anybody saying anything about a&m being a better program than LSU? no. but LSU fans for whatever reason think that what has happened this past decade has happened throughout their entire history. up until the turn of the century, a&m and lsu had very similar program histories
and was anybody saying anything about a&m being a better program than LSU? no. but LSU fans for whatever reason think that what has happened this past decade has happened throughout their entire history. up until the turn of the century, a&m and lsu had very similar program histories
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:21 pm to Adam Banks
once again, sorry for fricking up numbers on my phone. but once again, really doesnt make that big of a difference
and im not going to go into wins. but what i put was right. from 39-99, lsu had 5 conference champs, not 10. 58, 61, 70, 86, 88. and its 23 top 25 seasons, not 21 or 25
and im not going to go into wins. but what i put was right. from 39-99, lsu had 5 conference champs, not 10. 58, 61, 70, 86, 88. and its 23 top 25 seasons, not 21 or 25
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:31 pm to WestCoastAg
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once again, sorry for fricking up numbers on my phone. but once again, really doesnt make that big of a difference
and im not going to go into wins. but what i put was right. from 39-99, lsu had 5 conference champs, not 10. 58, 61, 70, 86, 88
Isn't A&M the same school that retroactively went back 80 years and claimed 2 national championships?
And rather odd you would pick an arbitrary window of time to compare these two schools, neither of which includes the time in which they began or currently reside. Obviously another "Ag"-ism to spin in favor of A&M (another piece of evidence of your maroon spray painted glasses-because obviously its impossible for you to not see maroon).
If we are going to pick any time it should be the last 20 years up until this point, hell you can go back 50 years from this point and LSU beats the dogshit out of A&M.
LSU record vs. A&M 28-20. DWI.
You have no ground to stand on aggy. Give up. You are wrong and wayyyy too biased to be on a board with fans from other schools.
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This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 9:33 pm
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