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re: ZERO Sympathy for Henry Ruggs - VIDEO Proves He Regularly Drove At Excessive Speeds.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:11 pm to ScoggDog
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:11 pm to ScoggDog
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If Ruggs spends life in prison without parole
He's not going to get life in prison without parole. I do, however, think he should get the max for his charges, which isn't a life sentence
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OK for you for this "mistake" ?
Yes, it would still be a mistake. A really really bad a mistake, but by definition a mistake nonetheless
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:13 pm to BallsEleven
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Words have meaning dumbass. I didn't make up that meaning, and you don't get to either.
A classic mistake. Words evolve. And the use of words means different things in different context.
One of the great tactics of certain folks is to throw a word out - a "semantic argument" - and then pretend that because a certain word was used that all discussion is then constrained around the debate of a definition - which they will then insist they know and control because they applied the word first to the situation.
If your getting screwed by the company store - nobody gives to shits if it's "theft" or "fraud" - other than the store.
And nobody with a brain gives two shits about the guy screaming "words have meaning". Only math has meaning. Everything else is subjective.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:13 pm to wadewilson
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No, you're trolling. You even mentioned the bit about grandstanding, and that was two days ago. You're following my posts just to try and make yourself look better.
Not over a death. And don’t flatter yourself. Im not following you, but rather the threads about this tragedy, which I’m about to stop doing because what’s the point. I’m not cool with using this to troll. You are.
And you were grandstanding.
It was memorable because you were accusing others of doing it, yet you were drawing all the attention to yourself.
You do what you want bud, I don’t care if you believe me or not. This whole tragedy has made me heartbroken and these threads aren’t helping.
People actually seem to be enjoying this and that is disturbing on a whole other level.
Like I said, this place has become /pol/ for SEC football.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:13 pm to ScoggDog
You argue like an unhinged liberal. JFC
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:14 pm to ScoggDog
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Fine - lets do it your way.
If Ruggs spends life in prison without parole - which I think is in appropriate - OK for you for this "mistake" ?
There is no reason to put the word mistake in quotes here.
No, that is too extreme of a punishment for the crime, and if you have an issue with that, you can take it up with Nevada who makes their laws.
Our justice system isn't made for your vengeance.
Personally, I think you should be punished for being willfully ignorant on the simple meaning of words, but I don't make those laws either.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:15 pm to lsufball19
Just say it with me - if the word "mistake" doesn't matter.
Just call it Manslaughter. It's such a trivial thing, really. Just call it my way, then. End the discussion. Since it doesn't mean anything.
Just call it Manslaughter. It's such a trivial thing, really. Just call it my way, then. End the discussion. Since it doesn't mean anything.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:16 pm to cajunbama
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Not over a death.
Ok, so where exactly is the line? What's off limits?
Sexual assault?
Children in a hospital?
Players with drug addiction issues?
Coaches with alcohol addiction issues?
If tragedies are so off limits, are you ready for that mirror to be turned on your post history?
I think not.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:16 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
He knew he was drinking but he drove the car anyway. - PREMEDITATED
He knew 156 mph on a city street was dangerous and illegal, especially while driving drunk. - UNLAWFUL
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:16 pm to BasedTide
Better be that fast when the big boys come to get him in prison for salad tossing time
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:17 pm to ScoggDog
But if I want to make a statement about Ruggs decision to operate the vehicle (which is prior to any manslaughter being committed) - what word should I use.
If you like negligent better, I'm happy to oblige although I don't feel like it has any more gravitas than mistake.
I'm being particularly negligent right now arguing online about the meaning of words instead of working.
If you like negligent better, I'm happy to oblige although I don't feel like it has any more gravitas than mistake.
I'm being particularly negligent right now arguing online about the meaning of words instead of working.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:18 pm to ScoggDog
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Just call it Manslaughter.
If you did this from the start, probably 4 less pages in this thread.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:20 pm to BasedTide
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don't see anyone out there saying "frick this guy. he deserves the harshest punishment there is. He did a terrible thing."
You've 100% made mistakes in your life that could have killed somebody, but just got lucky it didn't.
Ruggs does deserve love from others right now, and to quote his teammate and Raiders QB David Carr "If no one else will love him right now, I will". That doesn't excuse or belittle what he did. But he's still just a fricking kid who messed up.
I had a friend, who before I met him, had gotten 6 DUIs in 2 years. He was lucky he didn't kill anyone, but he eventually grew up an regretted his actions. We learn from mistakes and grow our entire lives. Ruggs made a horrific decision that had horrific consequences. But maybe he can use this to become a wiser person, and can use the notoriety from this to help convince others to not make the same mistake and can save other lives.
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:21 pm to 3down10
Our justice system isn't made for your vengeance.
And. Here. We. Go.
Why do you think I bitched so hard about "mistake" ?
Because I knew. It's a word, purposely selected, as a euphemism. Because what you really can't say is "Well, yeah, he burned that girl alive, but come on, shite happens and he's alive and she's dead".
So you picked "mistake". Then you doubled-down on it when pressed. Mistake, eh ? Let's hope not all mistakes end with ball-players driving 150 MPH and burning women to death.
But I promise you - the correlation between those driving 150 MPH and people burning to death will be high enough that "mistake" won't quite explain it.
And. Here. We. Go.
Why do you think I bitched so hard about "mistake" ?
Because I knew. It's a word, purposely selected, as a euphemism. Because what you really can't say is "Well, yeah, he burned that girl alive, but come on, shite happens and he's alive and she's dead".
So you picked "mistake". Then you doubled-down on it when pressed. Mistake, eh ? Let's hope not all mistakes end with ball-players driving 150 MPH and burning women to death.
But I promise you - the correlation between those driving 150 MPH and people burning to death will be high enough that "mistake" won't quite explain it.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:21 pm to Boat Vol
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He knew he was drinking but he drove the car anyway. - PREMEDITATED
His drinking and thereafter driving (and driving 150+ mph) was premeditated. Killing someone in the process wasn't.
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He knew 156 mph on a city street was dangerous and illegal, especially while driving drunk. - UNLAWFUL
doing something unlawful and someone dying in the process doesn't make it a premediated murder. Committing a felony and someone dying would fit the legal definition for felony murder, but driving excessive fast and recklessly isn't a felony.
He was charged with DUI resulting in death and reckless driving for a reason. The reason is the state wants to convict him. They don't charge people with crimes that can't result in a conviction. What he did would not fit the legal definition, nor could the state carry their burden to meet the elements for murder 1 or murder 2. This isn't complicated. If you don't agree with what's required to charge someone with premediated or intentional murder, then move to Nevada, run for the state legislature, and introduce a bill to change the language of the statute or the sentencing guidelines for DUI resulting in death.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:23 pm to VaBamaMan
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You've 100% made mistakes in your life that could have killed somebody, but just got lucky it didn't.
No - see, for those of you that keep harping on it - no sane person makes this "mistake". Nobody worth keeping free in society drives 150 MPH down a public street.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:25 pm to ScoggDog
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Nobody worth keeping free in society drives 150 MPH down a public street.
Hell, the judge even said that was the highest he had ever heard of.
A judge. In Vegas.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:26 pm to 3down10
Just another tidbit of information: IF you look at the pictures, Ruggs was approaching an intersection when the wreck happened.
I mean Christ. Going 156 on the interstate is dangerous enough. He was going 156 on a city street approaching an intersection.
Somebody dying was inevitable. This is one of the most reckless drunk driving incidents in history.
I mean Christ. Going 156 on the interstate is dangerous enough. He was going 156 on a city street approaching an intersection.
Somebody dying was inevitable. This is one of the most reckless drunk driving incidents in history.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:27 pm to BasedTide
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This is one of the most reckless drunk driving incidents in history.
It's hard to imagine a situation where he could have made worse decisions.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:27 pm to ScoggDog
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No - see, for those of you that keep harping on it - no sane person makes this "mistake". Nobody worth keeping free in society drives 150 MPH down a public street.
I was sober, and on the interstate, but I've hit 146mph on public roads. Every male I know has driven over 100mph on public roads at some point.
Have you ever looked at your phone while driving? Read TD? Sent a text? Because that is just as dangerous. Distracted driving is the same as driving at around twice the legal alcohol limit according to most studies.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:27 pm to wadewilson
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Hell, the judge even said that was the highest he had ever heard of.
156 on a CITY STREET, approaching an intersection!!
My God! I'm just glad he didn't kill even more people.
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