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Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:29 pm to Mullen3:16
No. That's why I want him at UT.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:29 pm to Mullen3:16
As others have said, I'm not sure he'd like dealing with some of these idiot kids that can't/won't get their crap together on and off the field. That job is high pressure and you don't have much time to get a kid ready before he's half-way out the door.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:29 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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. Over the long haul he would be out-worked in the SEC.
Wishful thinking? How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:30 pm to Wrenchruh
I think he'd be good and have Tennessee competing for SEC titles every 3 or 4 years.
I just don't think it's what he wants to do. Regardless of whether or not he'd be good at recruiting, I think he's stated that it's not something he would enjoy doing. Plus, he's thought of as someone who works particularly well with veteran players. Don't think coaching a team of 18-22 year olds would appeal to him.
I just don't think it's what he wants to do. Regardless of whether or not he'd be good at recruiting, I think he's stated that it's not something he would enjoy doing. Plus, he's thought of as someone who works particularly well with veteran players. Don't think coaching a team of 18-22 year olds would appeal to him.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:31 pm to 615tider
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I'm not sure he'd like dealing with some of these idiot kids that can't/won't get their crap together on and off the field.
This would probably be his biggest flaw. But, hey, if Saban can do it I guess anyone can.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:31 pm to Wrenchruh
I don't want to see him at Tennessee. That's all I have to say. 
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:34 pm to Mullen3:16
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if Saban can do it I guess anyone can
That's strike 2 and 3 right there buddy
Yeah, it'll be interesting that's for sure.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:38 pm to Mullen3:16
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Wishful thinking? How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Please elaborate on how a coach, that hasn't been in college since 1989, has honed his recruiting skills in that time period. He's not going to just show up and sign top five classes. Will some kids be attracted by the celebrity? Sure. But there's a lot more to recruiting. Charlie Weis had three Super Bowl rings and the label of "Tom Brady's offensive coordinator". Now he's in Lawrence, Kansas.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:41 pm to 615tider
I agree with some other posters, Gruden has no experience in the nuances of talking to highschool kids and convincing them to come play for him. Luckily for him he has the built in advantage of being Jon Gruden. There will most def. be kids who want to play for an NFL level coach. They will see it as their best chance to develop the skill sets needed to play in the NFL.
But that will only work on SOME recruits. Not every recruit is picking schools based solely on this aspect. As any of you who follow reruiting can attest to, there are a myriad of reasons kids pick a college to play ball at... conecting with their position coach, connectingwith the other players, closeness to home, *cough* where is my gf going to college *cough*... etc.
ETA: There are also differences in running an NFL team and a college team. At the college level Head Coaches have the ultimate and final say so in almost all maters. A college HC runs the entire program. At the NFL level you have personnel directors, GMs, etc
But that will only work on SOME recruits. Not every recruit is picking schools based solely on this aspect. As any of you who follow reruiting can attest to, there are a myriad of reasons kids pick a college to play ball at... conecting with their position coach, connectingwith the other players, closeness to home, *cough* where is my gf going to college *cough*... etc.
ETA: There are also differences in running an NFL team and a college team. At the college level Head Coaches have the ultimate and final say so in almost all maters. A college HC runs the entire program. At the NFL level you have personnel directors, GMs, etc
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Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:43 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Please elaborate on how a coach, that hasn't been in college since 1989, has honed his recruiting skills in that time period. He's not going to just show up and sign top five classes.
He's not a dumbass. I'm sure he'll surround himself with people who have been in the recruiting game for years.
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Charlie Weis had three Super Bowl rings and the label of "Tom Brady's offensive coordinator". Now he's in Lawrence, Kansas.
Are you really equating Weis' appeal to Gruden's? Remember these are 17 year olds we're talking about.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
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He'd be good IMO but it'll be interesting to see how he'd handle recruiting and all the bullshite red tape that goes with it.
I agree. NCAA compliance and all their issues/loopholes would probably be his biggest problem. A good staff would help with that.
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CapstoneGrad06
Initial surge? Yes. Over the long haul he would be out-worked in the SEC. He's never developed young players either.
Like clockwork.
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Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:44 pm to Mullen3:16
I personally see recruiting as plus for him as well. He's a charismatic dude. Still relatively young. I see his issue as being able to figure out how to make his knowledge, his player's knowledge in the limited time he has with them. Same reason I couldn't see other top NFL coaches (Sean Payton) working out in college.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:44 pm to LSUnation78
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where is my gf going to college
Yep, yes, uh-huh
He'll get better talent than what they have for sure.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:45 pm to InVolNerable
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InVolNerable
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Like clockwork.
Maybe you'll stop stalking me when Jon Gruden is still on MNF next year. Or with the Browns.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:46 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Initial surge? Yes. Over the long haul he would be out-worked in the SEC. He's never developed young players either
He has developed young players. And I'm not sure where I read it but the guy still gets up at 3:30 in the morning and watches film on NFL and college trends to this day to keep up with the latest and to stay sharp.
I know Tampa still let him use their facilities to study film several years after he was gone.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:46 pm to 615tider
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Yep, yes, uh-huh
He'll get better talent than what they have for sure.
Haha, no flame intended. Just pointing out the variety of reasons highschool kids pick different schools.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:48 pm to Wrenchruh
He can't be any worse than Dooley.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:48 pm to Bench McElroy
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He can't be any worse than Dooley.
Pretty sure no one can argue with this.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 3:49 pm to LSUnation78
It's all good, and you're right.
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the variety of reasons highschool kids pick different schools
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