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re: Would florida coach mac still be around?? Had the 9 players not been suspended
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:55 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:55 pm to thomasbrown_2007
maybe -- Jimbo cratered and he only lost one
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:01 pm to thomasbrown_2007
If you think back dooring into the title game to get smoked by Bama is some great accomplishment...
The man was a lackluster recruiter, and he got blown out by teams with more talent than him, that's a bad combo.
Offense in the 100s 3 straight years, defense looking the worst in the last 30 years due to terrible recruiting after muschamps defensive stars left for the nfl...
What the hell were you seeing that screamed I need to go defend this guy's honor after he's fired?
He fricking sucked.
The man was a lackluster recruiter, and he got blown out by teams with more talent than him, that's a bad combo.
Offense in the 100s 3 straight years, defense looking the worst in the last 30 years due to terrible recruiting after muschamps defensive stars left for the nfl...
What the hell were you seeing that screamed I need to go defend this guy's honor after he's fired?
He fricking sucked.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:01 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Heard beyond the 9 suspended, they had close to 20 injuries, so they were down to about 53 scholarship players.
That's 10 LESS scholarships than FCS teams are allowed
Edit - and I'm not defending McElwain, even Florida fans came around to what I was preaching this pre-season which is McElwain is a mediocre coach and recruiter. He tanked their defensive talent and couldn't even get things right offensively despite that being his specialty. McElwain was never going to work out there. The guy had so many bad blowout losses, no good coach ever gets blown out that much at a school that should be winning a lot.
That's 10 LESS scholarships than FCS teams are allowed
Edit - and I'm not defending McElwain, even Florida fans came around to what I was preaching this pre-season which is McElwain is a mediocre coach and recruiter. He tanked their defensive talent and couldn't even get things right offensively despite that being his specialty. McElwain was never going to work out there. The guy had so many bad blowout losses, no good coach ever gets blown out that much at a school that should be winning a lot.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:02 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Mac is douche so no need to be sorry for him. His players did let him down though. Florida wasn't a pretty team but they did play hard. Games vs. LSU and A&M they competed and played phisically. UGA is better than those 2 but the team just layed out vs UGA.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:11 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Dunno 'bout those players but I think he'd still be around if Grier hadn't taken that supplement...
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:01 pm to thomasbrown_2007
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:30 pm to OldPete
Their problem really was the inability to put a competitive OL on the field. When he got there, he had a senior transfer from an Ivy League school starting. His first job was to get an SEC caliber OL on the field and he failed to do that.
There were better OL at FCS schools.
There were better OL at FCS schools.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 12:34 am to thomasbrown_2007
I think everyone wanted him gone, but the buyout and the two SEC East titles would have kept him around for a fourth year. And with the recruiting class he had, he would have probably put together a good enough season to stay around even longer, though I doubt it would have come to anything particularly meaningful. Then again, if this season stayed at the 3 or 4 wins it looks like, maybe even that wouldn't have saved him year 4 unless he did really well.
Whether he lied about the death threats or not (and it seems he did based on all the evidence), he definitely obstructed efforts to look into it. That's why Stricklin and the UAA moved so fast as soon as Mac gave everyone an out on that buyout.
What none of us really knew was just how toxic things had become behind the scenes until he left. When that came out, it was clear why the moment Florida had an out they took it. It's rumored that Foley knew by the end of the first year that he blew the hire and that might have been why he retired when he did. But without the death threats fiasco, they couldn't have dumped him for cause, and I think that gets him one more year even though no one in the fan base or the UAA wanted it apparently.
He did us a favor really. My worst case scenario is that he would have stayed another year, won 9 or 10 games somehow with that piss poor offense, and then gotten a fifth year all while he was apparently poisoning the relationship between football and athletics in general. And the offense would have been piss poor because he wasn't budging on Nuss.
I defended him up until the death threats, but after we got more of the story, I was completely wrong about the guy. Good riddance.
Whether he lied about the death threats or not (and it seems he did based on all the evidence), he definitely obstructed efforts to look into it. That's why Stricklin and the UAA moved so fast as soon as Mac gave everyone an out on that buyout.
What none of us really knew was just how toxic things had become behind the scenes until he left. When that came out, it was clear why the moment Florida had an out they took it. It's rumored that Foley knew by the end of the first year that he blew the hire and that might have been why he retired when he did. But without the death threats fiasco, they couldn't have dumped him for cause, and I think that gets him one more year even though no one in the fan base or the UAA wanted it apparently.
He did us a favor really. My worst case scenario is that he would have stayed another year, won 9 or 10 games somehow with that piss poor offense, and then gotten a fifth year all while he was apparently poisoning the relationship between football and athletics in general. And the offense would have been piss poor because he wasn't budging on Nuss.
I defended him up until the death threats, but after we got more of the story, I was completely wrong about the guy. Good riddance.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 12:59 am to Gatorbait2008
I posted on one of these threads way earlier in the season that I totally understood the frustrations Florida fans had with Mac. I actually think it was a similar feel to the last few years of Richt. The coach won enough that it was easy to look in from the outside and think fans should be happy and that it would be ridiculous to make a change, but people who follow closely could tell that the team was underachieving and things were heading down not up.
How you structure and run a program, including recruiting, discipline, and managing relationships with boosters is as much a part of being the head coach at a major SEC school as wins on the field is. Most sensible Florida fans I know recognized that Mac wasn't managing Florida in a way that would predicate consistent success.
The funny thing about the Richt situation is that he is doing a lot of things now at Miami (hiring established coordinators, pushing the admin for facilities upgrades, recruiting larger lineman, etc) that he simply didn't do at Georgia, especially towards the end. As that attention to detail went away, the program started to decline. We took a chance and made a move. Seems to be working out so far, but nothing is a sure thing.
How you structure and run a program, including recruiting, discipline, and managing relationships with boosters is as much a part of being the head coach at a major SEC school as wins on the field is. Most sensible Florida fans I know recognized that Mac wasn't managing Florida in a way that would predicate consistent success.
The funny thing about the Richt situation is that he is doing a lot of things now at Miami (hiring established coordinators, pushing the admin for facilities upgrades, recruiting larger lineman, etc) that he simply didn't do at Georgia, especially towards the end. As that attention to detail went away, the program started to decline. We took a chance and made a move. Seems to be working out so far, but nothing is a sure thing.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:51 am to OldPete
Thank you!! Grier was doing well at uf
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:01 am to thomasbrown_2007
Mac is awful and his antics (and Sextons) may insure he never coaches again.
He's a straight coward.
He's a straight coward.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:40 am to thomasbrown_2007
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:56 am to thomasbrown_2007
Not sure if this is a troll question or not but it's interesting to think about.
If we'd had Scarlett and Callaway in addition to Toney, Cleveland, Powell, Perine, Davis, Massey, etc., our offense would have had two more reliable playmakers in the mix. Maybe the other guys don't have to take as any game reps and never get hurt. Maybe the offense is good enough that it doesn't continue to put pressure on a struggling young defense. Maybe we win the two close games we lost against LSU and A&M, and go into the UGA game with enough confidence to keep that one respectable.
Maybe the "winning cures all" applies to Mac in this case and the death threat nonsense never comes up because we're 5-2 after the Georgia game instead of 3-4. Maybe maybe maybe. Maybe not.
If we hadn't had two kicks blocked against South Carolina in 2014, we win that game and I'm not sure Muschamp isn't still our coach. He would have inherited Grier, who he didn't have some kind of personal vendetta against, who would still be our QB in all likelihood.
If we'd had Scarlett and Callaway in addition to Toney, Cleveland, Powell, Perine, Davis, Massey, etc., our offense would have had two more reliable playmakers in the mix. Maybe the other guys don't have to take as any game reps and never get hurt. Maybe the offense is good enough that it doesn't continue to put pressure on a struggling young defense. Maybe we win the two close games we lost against LSU and A&M, and go into the UGA game with enough confidence to keep that one respectable.
Maybe the "winning cures all" applies to Mac in this case and the death threat nonsense never comes up because we're 5-2 after the Georgia game instead of 3-4. Maybe maybe maybe. Maybe not.
If we hadn't had two kicks blocked against South Carolina in 2014, we win that game and I'm not sure Muschamp isn't still our coach. He would have inherited Grier, who he didn't have some kind of personal vendetta against, who would still be our QB in all likelihood.
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