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re: Worst top 25 ballot ever?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:45 am to auburnphan23
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:45 am to auburnphan23
Did you read his explanation of how he votes? If so, what issue do you have? If not, why don't you inform yourself before making definitive statements?
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:46 am to Rig
quote:If it's an algorithm he uses it makes sense. They're always crazy to begin with.
Supposedly his poll straightens itself out over time but this one is cringe worthy
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:47 am to bamafan1001
looks about right to me
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:47 am to auburnphan23
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A lot of other voters do the same thing
Most other voters are taking the preseason rankings into account, this guy is deliberately not doing that.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:47 am to therick711
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The easiest thing is, no one gives a shite what you think you saw. Read his article if you want his justification. Your real beef is you looked at the ballot and didn't see Bama in the top two, so you lost your mind.
Whatever dog, brush up on your reading skills.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:52 am to craigbiggio
quote:This guy apparently took his own personal preaseason poll into account. Part of the reason he gave LSU so much credit for beating Wisconsin is because he had them ranked 5th in his preseason poll
Most other voters are taking the preseason rankings into account, this guy is deliberately not doing that.
His preseason poll is nuts as well. Guy absolutely deserves to have his vote taken away. We don't need this type of loon determining anything related to college football
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:52 am to bamafan1001
While I agree LSU's performance did not qualify for a #1 ranking, who's to say that his ballot might not be prophetic? He obviously considers Wisconsin to be the strongest defeated opponent in week 1. I don't agree because their passing game was bad but certainly some of that was due to LSU's pass defense. Put this way: if Wisconsin ends up winning the rest of their games and the Big 10 Championship, that LSU win will be huge.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:54 am to bamafan1001
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Based on what I saw, LSU is borderline top 20. Wisconsin at 10? Did he watch the second half of that game??
I guess you see what you want to see. LSU improved tremendously from 1st qtr to 3rd qtr. This was a team that lost every one of its skill position starters from last year on offense. Also, This was probably the youngest squad on the field in the top 25.
LSU did not pull this one out of their arse - they fought their way back and took it.
Looking at it your way then aTm should be #1 but I aint buying that either. USCe was not prepared for that air raid offense. Do you think that Bama, Auburn, and LSU are going to be unprepared for that shite... no way, If you neutralize that passing attack then they become a fish out of water.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:54 am to auburnphan23
What was wrong with his preseason poll? Because he had Auburn 13th?
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This guy apparently took his own personal preaseason poll into account
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Wilner admits he takes an unconventional approach to voting in the poll. Rather than following the herd and voting simply by wins and losses based on preseason rankings, he starts every season and every week with a clean slate, and rates teams by the competition, he says, to "rid my ballot of preseason hype and misconceptions. The only way is to take a clean look at everybody when they start playing games. Otherwise you are beholden to your preseason ballots."
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:57 am to lsupride87
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This guy does exactly what this board calls and preaches for, yet when then see something against the norm that they actually preach against, they freak out. Simpletons
Polls in the 1st month of the season are worthless and make it tough for a dark horse team.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:57 am to auburnphan23
quote:only because he has to early in the season. In a few weeks the preseason poll will be irrelevant.
This guy apparently took his own personal preaseason poll into account
You appear to be extremely simple minded and very rash.
The only poll that matters is the final one and I am not even sure it matters anymore.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:57 am to craigbiggio
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What was wrong with his preseason poll? Because he had Auburn 13th?
Bingo.
Let's be honest, if we're looking for a regression candidate, they are by far the easiest one to pick. Lucky as hell last year, tougher schedule this year, still struggle to stop most teams.
Bad luck alone could have them finish outside the top 10 this year, and they would still be an excellent team.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:58 am to WDE24
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There are only 2 or 3 options after week 1 (LSU, UGA and aTm) It is a legitimate opinion that he is more than willing to deviate from when more games are played and we have more information.
Would add Auburn to that list, too.
AND, it is easier to defend his rankings than a LOT of others I have been seeing.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:58 am to WDE24
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If people are saying his first ballot will reflect the way things look at the end of the season, I laugh out loud at them
No one, especially not the voter, is claiming this.
That is precisely what the voter is claiming. He states:
"My preseason poll is a projection of how I think the teams will finish in January, for this reason: If the preseason No. 1 is the best team – the voter’s pick to win the national championship — then it seems to follow that all the teams should be slotted according to projected finish." at Preseason
Most of the defenders of this voter don't appear to understand his own metrics. If his algorithm was based on "on field results" it would seem he would weigh a teams result ATS. He doesn't seem to do that. Instead he seems to give teams a bump for wins or tough losses in late games
It doesn't seem too much like evaluating "on field results". It looks more like creating something different to get attention and then conforming at the end.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:00 am to davesdawgs
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Put this way: if Wisconsin ends up winning the rest of their games and the Big 10 Championship, that LSU win will be huge.
Not sure how this fits into the playoff picture but on one of the Sirius NCAA football call in shows Sunday morning they were discussing that this was the only Big Ten/SEC regular season game scheduled this year and this win (LSU) would give the SEC a head to head advantage or tie-breaker...
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:01 am to therick711
LSU fans only love this guy today because he has their team ranked first. If LSU is not in his top 25 next week, a lot of fans will want to torch his house. Don't bother trying to deny it
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:01 am to WDE24
I'd help you defend your case, but then people would start with the LSU homer bit.
Plus, it's not like you need help.
Plus, it's not like you need help.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:02 am to dukkbill
You only read a portion of his method. After enough games are played his preseason poll is completely scrapped and has no bearing on his voting.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:02 am to dukkbill
I think the error you've made is you've assumed that his preseason top 25 uses the same methodology as his in season top 25.
They are different polls with different purposes as he details in his posts. Also, he doesn't use an algorithm.
They are different polls with different purposes as he details in his posts. Also, he doesn't use an algorithm.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:03 am to auburnphan23
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LSU fans only love this guy today because he has their team ranked first. If LSU is not in his top 25 next week, a lot of fans will want to torch his house. Don't bother trying to deny it
You dolt. He had LSU underranked (comparatively) in his preseason poll. No one batted an eye. You appear to be the only one with a problem with it.
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