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Is there a "log" of this vote? I'd love to see where republicans landed on it as well.


I don’t think there was a vote. From the reporting,

- The resolution was signed. Thus, pursuant to House rules it must be put to a floor vote 7 days after the first day Congress reconvenes. This is the “ripening period” that gives the reps time to talk to their constituents The resolution will still be voted on and the likely target date is mid December

- this rep made a motion to set aside the rules and bring it to the floor now. The motion requires unanimous consent so it fails on any one objection. That’s just recorded as a motion that doesn’t carry in the minutes.

-when there are votes, the clerk will record them. They are published very quickly and can retrieved from the Clerk’s Website
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Buggy Whip manufacturers were crying about the fad of the "automobile" around the turn of the 20th century. AI is the game changer.


Yep, and those manufacturers either retooled and sold vacuum cleaners ie Hoover) or cashed out. I don’t think anyone on this thread is asking they receive a too big to fail bail out

As for the relevant comparison, their employees could also find work with transferable skills. They did not have to compete with an immigrant work force. If H1Bs with today’s relocation ability, they would have likely been without jobs

I don’t understand all the cliches about AI though. If AI reduces demand for those jobs then it’s even more reason to eliminate or reform the H1B program. We should certainly be able to fill the supply with Us citizens if demand is decreasing. H1B was meant for the Enrico Fermi’s of the world, not for clerks that just have some tech skills
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The tech industry is a dying industry because of AI and outsourcing not because of the H1B program


Ai is another story. There is always disruptive technology that changes industries. It’s impact can and will be felt in many segments

Outsourcing is a reason why the H1B can’t exist as a loophole. If we incentivize jobs, plants etc in the US. Then it defeats a central purpose if all the the domesticated capital just imports foreign cheap labor also

Even Pre-Trump there was carrot and stick based incentivatives to bring capital back domestically. That’s one of the reasons of the H1B visa abuse. The companies were able to utilize tax incentives to make fixed asset operations even cheaper, but kept labor costs low by abusing the H1B system
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Does that mean we should scrap the whole program? Where


The whole program isn’t being scrapped. Just like unpopular entitlement programs are being scrapped. SIGNIFICANT reform is needed. Also, there are other VISA programs to handle short term needs. We don’t need immigrant visas for jobs that US citizens can fill

You allege you work in an office with many H1Bs? Are you going to allege that no US persons could fill those jobs? Or that no US persons can fill those jobs at the rate your employer wants to charge based on a survey of worldwide labor rates?

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Where is the data that suggests Americans are struggling?


Totally immaterial. The issue is whether persons are depressing US wages by improperly gaming the immigration system. The secondary issue is whether we should have a different system that better protects American workers

Nevertheless, if you haven’t seen threads and news on struggles based on wage growth and inflation, you aren’t looking. At some point wage growth would need to match inflation, but not if the pressure is relieved by letting companies just import the labor
“… cool and as hard working.”

Agree, this is also most “internet libertarians”. They think they are just smarter than the competition and use their current status as their evidence of such superiority (Much like Egyptian pharaohs proof of divinity). It’s just bad confirmation bias

As for the ROI, it’s true. There is a much less return to be skilled labor when the skilled labor wage is reduced in a worldwide market

There may be truth to the statement that there is specialized skill needed for some new factories that have just domesticated. That is, it may take a while to train US workers on those specialized skills. But that is what L1 visas are for. They are temporary and when the time is up— you have to go back
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k. I also don’t know of any white software engineers struggling to find a job


I do. Particular older employees, but that is beside the point. First, employers game the system and ask for qualifications that aren’t essential qualifications of the jobs to manufacture this need for foreign employees. (No, we weren’t able to find an employee with 20 years of experience for an entry level job.) Second, the mass influx of the cheap labor depresses the salary of those that are employed and acts as a negative incentive toward training programs and education. An average wage ( not prevailing bc we aren’t just dealing with government jobs) is thus lower in a worldwide labor market then what would be a US market
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Richard Carlson You ought to add that Carlson’s dad headed the VoA to the OP. In effect, the VoA simply broadcast [Deep] State Department talking points.


Didn’t he also do the promo where they threw the live turkeys out of a helicopter onto the Cincinnati shopping mall?
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Honestly, I don't know if he has the authority to raise taxes on individuals and companies...is that something only the state of New York can do?


It’s still up to the legislature but the NYC mayor has lots of political clout. Indeed, many times people know the mayor of NYC even when they don’t know the governor. Hochul and the democratic leadership in NY Congress endorsed him. He can’t enact change on taxes but he can strongly influence it

He can appoint all the members of the rent guidelined board. Similarly, he can appoint many other city officials. With a city GDP of 1.3 Trillion that can have big impact

Here is what he needed to do and according to the article he did just that. He was picked up while he still had an active parole, which was only revoked because he was picked up. Is there something else you wanted him to do?
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What non-immigration related law did he break?

I guessing drunk driving that caused injuries or deaths, SA, or some violent crime


None for which any charges are pending. He was pulled over and told his immigration documents had lapsed. Based on reporting, his authorization still would have been in place until three weeks after his arrest. Washington Post

Homeland asserts he was illegal because they revoked his documents after his arrest (for his documents having lapsed). Id.
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We have a program for this: amnesty.


He applied for asylum in 2022 and the case was never decided. Washington Post
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Um... if we rescued him in 2021, then why is he here illegally? Why did he not have the common decency to get his paperwork in order?


According to the article, he is here legally (I presume under Operation Allies Refuge, later known as Operation Allies Welcome). He still had an active humanitarian parole determination at the time of his arrest according to the Post. Its unclear if HS disputes this or if there was another basis for his detainment.

The issue is whether he must return (at the end of his parole period?). The standard is whether the asylee has a "well founded fear". The guidance on this point that has often been used is

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There is simply no room in the United Nations' definition for concluding that, because an applicant only has a 10% chance of being shot, tortured, or otherwise persecuted, he or she has no "well founded fear" of the event's happening. See supra at 480 U. S. 431. As we pointed out in Stevic, a moderate interpretation of the "well founded fear" standard would indicate "that, so long as an objective situation is established by the evidence, it need not be shown that the situation will probably result in persecution, but it is enough that persecution is a reasonable possibility."


INS v. Cardoza-Fonseca

The lower level US attorneys are stating that is not realistic because his University is currently under operation and his NGO still exists. The post has quotes from the former that it is not operational but has some online classes and that the NGO is closed.

ETC: His humanitarian parole was still valid at time of arrest, but has lapsed during his detention. Corrected above.


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Josh Hammer calls for Tucker Carlson to be neutralized


Please Hammer, Don't hurt em

re: Structural/Systemic Injustice

Posted by dukkbill on 10/28/25 at 3:45 pm to
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But, what's the alternative? Do we just not ponder these types of things since there is so much disagreement?


That’s a false choice, and an initial answer is don’t present false choices. The type of qualitative analysis in this speech can be useful, but when the researcher reduces an issue to a singular case study, they can’t then be exasperated when the critics solve the individual problem in the case study

But the issue is bigger than that. It’s not true research or the basis of policy study. It’s entirely being used for a rhetorical purpose. It’s designed to get an emotional reaction and when it achieves counter action, the speaker will just feign exasperation

Transportation could be a solvable issue. Jobs programs could be a solvable issue. The behavioral reasons for irrational choices could be solvable. When the only acceptable outcome is to elicit a shame reaction— it’s just divisive and counterproductive.

re: Structural/Systemic Injustice

Posted by dukkbill on 10/28/25 at 3:32 pm to
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When people don't see anyone who looks like them or comes from their type of situation do the things many posters here think is possible/easy/likely for them to do - those things seem as out of touch as walking on the moon.


How does that apply in this context? In the general hypothetical that you responded to, are you suggesting there are no persons having achievement that they can use for case studies?

The prolification of identity politics has not appeared to have had any measurable impact on poverty. Its impact on achievement does not appear to be statistically significant. It has had the isolated areas of achievement for some persons that may have been part of underutilized classes, but these are just the victors of the new systems and not the leaders of any true equitable movement

I understand your point, but I think you are shooting at the wrong topic. Policy analysts focus too heavily on presuming rational behavior when modeling outcomes of their policy decisions. Indeed, many graduate policy programs fail to include any training on behavioral economics. Stress, poverty, feelings of victimization can actually induce irrational decision making

In the anecdotes you and others quoted, we only see the specific decisions, not the range of all choices that could be made. Indeed, in what was quoted, the item kept constant was the maintenance of what sounded like a pretty fungible job.

Our policy choices of assistance (eg subsidized transportation, subsidized housing) don’t take into account that an actor is more likely to choose a short term, suboptimal solution (like buying a car bc it’s a shinier and short term fix choice). However, our marketing departments do take these into account

For these reasons, I do think the micro-interventions advocated and performed by Durflo and Banerjee have far more potential than some of these top down systems


re: Les, Ed O and BK walk into a bar

Posted by dukkbill on 10/26/25 at 1:26 pm to
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After BK orders they look over at Nick Saban at the end of the bar.


Just don’t let Les toss Saban out of the dive bar
How about this one

Les, O and Bk get together to start a business. Les wants a dive bar, O wants a topless joint and BK wants a fambly establishment where you can have it your way. LSU walks in and says here is enough money for all 3 for the next 20 years
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That would go well with that pic above.


Yeah, he got excited when his friend Hugh Freeze told them they were going to a topless place
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Then start it. Whatchya got.


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