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re: Will Vanderbilt players go union?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:52 pm to Rebel Titan
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:52 pm to Rebel Titan
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Why do you want Vandy out of the SEC?
He took the name of a cinematic pedophile as his screen name. His motives are unlikely to be particularly savory or, indeed, lucid.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:01 pm to randomways
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He took the name of a cinematic pedophile
Great character tho
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:30 pm to matthew25
Dont laugh too much. if one of the major unions like the Teamsters gets its hands in this, shite could get real.
For instance, if the school says its dropping unionized football, what if the teamsters say fine, no more deliveries of ANY freight at all to the school. No UPS, no FedEx, no LTL, nothing. Schools bookstore, physical plant, and much more shuts down.
if the major unions just decide not to cross a picket line, this gets very messy.
For instance, if the school says its dropping unionized football, what if the teamsters say fine, no more deliveries of ANY freight at all to the school. No UPS, no FedEx, no LTL, nothing. Schools bookstore, physical plant, and much more shuts down.
if the major unions just decide not to cross a picket line, this gets very messy.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:59 am to Pavoloco83
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Dont laugh too much. if one of the major unions like the Teamsters gets its hands in this, shite could get real.
Most schools are public and the media vs the mob might not work out so well for the mob. Keep in mind the players (not the schools) got involved with the mob in the point shaving scandal of the 50's. The resulting media exposure did not work out so well for the mob.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 6:01 am to randomways
First of all, Jesus Quintana was NOT a pedophile, he was a pederast.
Secondly, he was in one of the best pieces of American cinema of the last 50 years.
Secondly, he was in one of the best pieces of American cinema of the last 50 years.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:34 am to Pavoloco83
quote:Unions in this country are on a steep downhill decline with their numbers dropping yearly. I doubt that they would be stupid enough to start a war with college football, public and/or private universities, or any other entity that garners public affection...I wish, the frick, they would.
Dont laugh too much. if one of the major unions like the Teamsters gets its hands in this, shite could get real. For instance, if the school says its dropping unionized football, what if the teamsters say fine, no more deliveries of ANY freight at all to the school. No UPS, no FedEx, no LTL, nothing. Schools bookstore, physical plant, and much more shuts down. if the major unions just decide not to cross a picket line, this gets very messy.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:52 am to JesusQuintana
Charter member...not gonna happen. They are good at other sports besides football.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:27 am to Cheese Grits
All im saying is that if the players have a NLRB certified union, and go on strike, its highly doubtful that any other union would cross that picket line.
This would include the teamsters, food service workers, and god knows what else. Some places, this could be a big deal like Chicago or the northeast or LA. However in Alabama etc, maybe not so much.
This would include the teamsters, food service workers, and god knows what else. Some places, this could be a big deal like Chicago or the northeast or LA. However in Alabama etc, maybe not so much.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:31 am to Pavoloco83
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Some places, this could be a big deal like Chicago or the northeast or LA. However in Alabama etc, maybe not so much.
S E C! S E C! - hooray for scab football!
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:36 am to morriscat2
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How is Vandy the only affected school? It was the Federal (and I might add liberal) National Labor Relations Board that made the decision. Did you pay attention, I said "Federal". That means Obama's power is going to stretch out over all schools, especially Public ones. Obama wants as many voting unions as he can establish.
From the Frequently Asked Questions section of www.nlrb.gov regarding the National Labor Relations Act.
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The NLRA applies to most private sector employers, including manufacturers, retailers, private universities, and health care facilities. The NLRA does not apply to federal, state, or local governments; employers who employ only agricultural workers; and employers subject to the Railway Labor Act (interstate railroads and airlines). See this Jurisdictional Standards page for more information.
All of the other Universities in the SEC are considered part of the Public Sector.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:47 am to madmaxvol
Also, Tenner is a right-to-work state which would make it very difficult to form a union. Even if one did form it wouldn't be very powerful becuase it would like the participation needed.
It would affect public universities in the sense that in the eyes of the NCAA all scholarships are equal. What 1 ncaa schol provides its athletes in scholarship compensation, all members would have to provide the same.
It would affect public universities in the sense that in the eyes of the NCAA all scholarships are equal. What 1 ncaa schol provides its athletes in scholarship compensation, all members would have to provide the same.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:00 am to RockCityHog
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Also, Tenner is a right-to-work state which would make it very difficult to form a union. Even if one did form it wouldn't be very powerful becuase it would like the participation needed.
Exactly...VW wanted a Union in their Tennessee plant, and you see what happened.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:13 am to Sarcastro
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obama is trykng destroy the sec nooooooooo
haven't you heard, everything bad is Obama's fault? around these parts, I have personally heard him blamed for the Malaysian Air flight disappearing, the Houston ship channel oil spill and the outbreak of syphilis amongst the local wetback community. and the sad thing is i'm not kidding. I have to go to the dentist today to have a tooth pull; i'm pretty sure it's Obama's doing.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:40 am to madmaxvol
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Exactly...VW wanted a Union in their Tennessee plant, and you see what happened.
That's a really simplistic explanation of what happened here, and I'm not sure it's accurate. Corporate VW was ambivalent about unions, but their head of labor in Germany was pro-union, as he's not technically employed by VW, but by their equivalent of the UAW.
All that said, Volkswagens are shite, and I wouldn't buy another one if you put a gun to my head.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:55 am to RoyalAir
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actly...VW wanted a Union in their Tennessee plant, and you see what happened.
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That's a really simplistic explanation of what happened here
Yes...it is simplistic...almost like something that would be generalized on a sports message board. I didn't want to get into a lengthy discussion of the differences between a "Works Council" and a Union. VW was absolutely pro-Works Council.
The only VW's I've had were diesels...and I had relatively few problems with them. That being said, they are below average overall in quality.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:49 pm to madmaxvol
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I didn't want to get into a lengthy discussion of the differences between a "Works Council" and a Union. VW was absolutely pro-Works Council.
Fair enough. I just got tired of how the traditional media kept harping on the UAW vote as if somehow The Common Man lost, as only the local reps didn't want the union. Coker interfered far too much with the way that vote turned out, but I can't necessarily blame him, as he was instrumental in bringing the plant here in the first place.
VW was pro-works council, but while they weren't openly anti-UAW, it was pretty apparent under the surface that the management didn't want the headache. There's a reason foreign manufacturers don't go into heavily unionized states, despite the pre-existing infrastructure and labor force.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:36 pm to RoyalAir
While it only applies to private instutions now, it is not a stretch to see the union get athletes at all univesities involved. And if you think it would be hard to find several players in the SEC, the ACC, to file for unionization, then you are naive as hell. Once this door is opened if an appeal is denied down the road, all bets are off. The union will want to negotiate anything and everything. That is what they do. Tulane for one would go broke in less than a yr, pretty new stadium and all.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:47 pm to Cheese Grits
IMO, the fix was in.
This labour board from Chiago, these lawyets and the playets all worked in unison, with a pre agreed ipon outcome.
The NCAA should create a separate division if this ever comes to pass.
And if it creeps into the public universitys then all colleges should quit giving scholarships to these unappreciative badtards.
So, does a person getting an academic scholarship now become an employee also ?
LMAO
This labour board from Chiago, these lawyets and the playets all worked in unison, with a pre agreed ipon outcome.
The NCAA should create a separate division if this ever comes to pass.
And if it creeps into the public universitys then all colleges should quit giving scholarships to these unappreciative badtards.
So, does a person getting an academic scholarship now become an employee also ?
LMAO
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:21 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
The decision says it affects only 17 of the 125 schools. (Vandy, Tulane, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, NOTRE FREAKING DAME!, Boston College, Southern METHODIST, Baylor BAPTIST)
But, there are union shop states, including Nebraska, where the state law allows public sector unions.
Will the NCAA kick out the 17 schools, and the union-shop state schools that go union? Nebraska? Michigan? Ohio State? Penn State?
But, there are union shop states, including Nebraska, where the state law allows public sector unions.
Will the NCAA kick out the 17 schools, and the union-shop state schools that go union? Nebraska? Michigan? Ohio State? Penn State?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:04 pm to matthew25
Question: Wasn't this just for the state of Illinois? Won't all the other states have to recognize student-athletes as employees separately? I'm not really sure about the process, but that's what...I wanna think it was Clay Travis said. And ya know, he is a lawyer. Maybe things changed or I'm mistaken on who said it. Anyway, clarification would be nice.
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