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re: Will Georgia ever win another football national championship?

Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:25 am to
Posted by Belue2Scott
Iowa (via Norcross)
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:25 am to
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Fromm 60.8% 2,860 yds 7.4 avg 24 td's 5 ints
Newman 60.9% 2,868 yds 7.9 avg 26 td's 11 ints

From had 5 games with less than 50% completions.
Newman had 4 games with less than 50% completions. Newman throws more ints playing in an inferior league. How is this an upgrade ?


Yes, the ACC competition was inferior.

But the talent he'll be playing with in Athens is also vastly superior to what he was working with in Winston-Salem.

It's not just who you play that matters, but who you're playing with also.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4650 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:27 am to
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Unsure if he missed wide open tds game after game like fromm did

When you have 4 games under 50%, you're missing wr's.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:28 am to
I specifically said “missing wide open td passes”. That stat doesn’t prove newman had that same frommblem.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:31 am to
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Newman had a slightly better passer rating, and many more rushing yards, while playing with a supporting cast talent disadvantage. Unsure if he missed wide open tds game after game like fromm did, but that was a major problem for uga last year with Fromm. Seccg would have been much closer if Fromm simply passed better.


Newman's Georgia offense will likely be more effective than Fromm's was much of the season. Not saying he's a better player, but hes better in tight windows, more accurate downfield, and more mobile. On top he has a legit offensive scheme and he has a better set of receivers to throw to.

Keep in mind: All the defense needs to be all time great is an offense that can sustain drives. People doubting Georgia may be in for a rude arse awakening this coming season.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4650 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:33 am to
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I specifically said “missing wide open td passes”.


You're reaching. I know you want him to be an upgrade but playing against worse competition his numbers say he isn't. Against decent defenses, he folded. He will play better defenses in the SEC. Go look up the teams he padded his stats against. Rice and Elon are 2 of them.
Posted by pattonjr
PA
Member since Dec 2015
151 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:34 am to
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They’ve won two in total, one back in the 40s. They definitely have the facilities and recruiting, but will they ever take their play on the field to the next level? They haven’t done it yet and as the SEC gets stronger, it seems more unlikely.


Honest opinion, as a UGA fan I do think they will have 2 in the next 6-10 years. I think the toughest thing about the scope of this is Saban and Dabo. Meaning that regardless of how UGA does they will have to overcome those hurdles. Kirby still has some things to learn. These next two years will be telling. You are correct, they have the facilities and recruiting but they needed a more complete staff. I am not sure if they have it this year but we will see.

It will also be interesting to see what happens to the South Florida connection with Coley gone. He was a great resource to have for that connection. I do think we UGA fans will be more patient with Kirby than we were with Richt, because of the more perceived success that has been had under Kirby. But the instant gratification now days will I think rear its ugly head if UGA can't with the SEC in the next 2-3 years. The biggest thing to remember is this is Kirbys first stint as a head coach. Everyone wants to say he is Saban 2.0, but they need to remember Saban was a head coach for a long time before he ever lifted a Championship trophy. He was on his 3 head coaching job before he ever won one.

I think if you look at the route Dabo had, it took 8 seasons for him to win his first, that is more realistic for Kirby. The difference is Kirby doesn't have to build like Dabo did. He has to make sure he has the right pieces in place to make it happen. With all the said, Dabo isn't go anywhere. It seems, if things keep going the way they are, UGA and Clemson, only separated by 80 miles, will play plenty of games in the future to decide the future national championships. Before everyone else jumps on me for this, I do believe Bama, OSU, and LSU will still be relevant.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:35 am to
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t's not just who you play that matters, but who you're playing with also.


Its also the talent level compared to opponents. Wake was at a disadvantage in every conference game.

EVERY conference game.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
19700 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:37 am to
Of course they will. They were just a few plays away in 2012 and 2017 from winning a national title.
Posted by UGA_Lego23
Member since Dec 2019
190 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:40 am to
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Will Georgia ever win another football national championship?

Maybe. Florida certainly isn't an obstacle any more.
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will Florida ever beat Georgia again

Doubtful. MuLLLen is winless against Smart
Posted by UGA_Lego23
Member since Dec 2019
190 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:41 am to
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playing against worse competition

With worse talent around him. Its hilarious people act like Newman will have the same talent around him at UGA that he had at Wake Forest.
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:44 am to
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I still can't believe Kirby let Justin Fields roll for one more year with a subpar Jake Fromm. That was a terrible decision


I suppose you were at all of the practices and meetings with Kirby and staff with Fromm and Fields, or are you just an internet poster? Fromm took his team to the NC as a freshman. Fields still hasn’t.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:45 am to
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I do think we UGA fans will be more patient with Kirby than we were with Richt, 


No way in Hell.CMR went 10 years without an SEC title.

There's not a chance in Hell we give Kirby that much rope.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:45 am to
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You're reaching. I know you want him to be an upgrade but playing against worse competition his numbers say he isn't. Against decent defenses, he folded. He will play better defenses in the SEC. Go look up the teams he padded his stats against. Rice and Elon are 2 of them.


You haven’t disputed a single point I made in response to your posts, so calm it with accusing me of reaching:

1. Wake forest talent level was lowest in the acc, which combats your “worse competition” claim.

2. He had a better passer rating than Fromm despite that. You flat out ignored this one.

3. Fromm missed wide open tds often. Only someone who doesn’t understand the importance of td passes would downplay that, and it’s hard to believe a LSU fan wouldn’t understand that.

4. You also ignored the major difference in rushing production.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4650 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:45 am to
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I think the toughest thing about the scope of this is Saban and Dabo.


Solid post. Right now Dabo and Saban are recruiting better qb's. That is huge in todays game. Bus driver qb's are a thing of the past. LSU won because Burrow was head and shoulders better than every college qb on the planet.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:46 am to
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Fromm took his team to the NC as a freshman


Stop with this. That was chubb, Sony, Lorenzo, and roquan’s team.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32854 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:48 am to
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There's not a chance in Hell we give Kirby that much rope.


Depends on how good his teams are.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
4650 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:52 am to
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1. Wake forest talent level was lowest in the acc, which combats your “worse competition” claim. If you think the ACC isn't worse than the SEC, then you don't know football.

2. He had a better passer rating than Fromm despite that. You flat out ignored this one. Barely, but he also had more ints than Fromm, which you ignored.

3. Fromm missed wide open tds often. Only someone who doesn’t understand the importance of td passes would downplay that, and it’s hard to believe a LSU fan wouldn’t understand that. Every qb misses wide open td's. Hard to believe that a fan would think no qb misses a wide open td during a season.

4. You also ignored the major difference in rushing production.
Good. He is a better rusher. He also folded against better defenses not anywhere near the level of SEC defenses. Something, you're ignoring.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:54 am to
He's gotta win SEC championships somewhat consistently.Once every 4 to 5 years.Hes fine if he does that even without NC's
Posted by TNG8r
TN
Member since Sep 2014
1317 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:57 am to
Yes... Every offseason
Posted by UGA_Lego23
Member since Dec 2019
190 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 8:58 am to
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defenses not anywhere near the level of SEC defenses.

With nowhere near the talent around him he'll have at UGA. Its odd you can't understand that.
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