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re: Will Derrick Henry return to school? Ex-NFL scout gives 4th round grade on Henry

Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:39 pm to
Dude, the posters here are too dumb for facts.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:48 pm to
He led the nation in attempts per game THIS YEAR. He was in a time share of sorts prior.

Had over 40 carries in his last two games and over 30 (28 vs UT) in 4 of his last 6 games vs FBS opponents.

Still has two possible games left as well.

Saban is working this boy like a rented mule.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 2:53 pm to
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He led the nation in attempts per game THIS YEAR


And finished behind McCaffery and others in total touches.

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Saban is working this boy like a rented mule.


Again......and?

Henry has 349 total offensive touches

2014
Jay Ajayi - 397
Melvin Gordon - 362

2013
Ka'Deem Carey - 375
Andre Williams - 355

2012
Le'Veon Bell - 414
Montee Ball - 366

2011
Bobby Rainey - 405

2010
Bobby Rainey - 369

2009
Toby Gerhart - 354
Dion Lewis - 350

2008
Javon Ringer - 419
Donald Brown - 388



This isn't some sort of phenomenon. A handful of really good backs have 345-375 carries most every season. A lot of them have had pretty solid, long NFL careers. And most of them had already had seasons with more carries than Derek has, not to mention Derrick doesn't run back kicks/punts or catch many balls out of the backfield.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39587 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:08 pm to
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What makes you think the League will assign a first round pick to Fournette?



Fournette is not just going in the first round. He's going in the top 10 picks - probably top three. He's much better than any back to ever play at Alabama or LSU. Why? Because anyone with eyes can see it. I've watched the best backs those schools have produced, from Bobby Humphrey to Kevin Faulk. Fournette is just plain better.

Henry merits a second round pick, though. That assumes he can run routes and catch.
Posted by Kodar
Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:12 pm to
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Fournette is not just going in the first round. He's going in the top 10 picks - probably top three.
I don't care how good Fournette is, he is not going in the top 3 much less top 10 unless the rest of the draft sucks that bad.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:15 pm to
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Fournette is not just going in the first round. He's going in the top 10 picks - probably top three.


Do you think he's better than Gurley? Each draft is different, but top 3 is pushing it.
Posted by jatebe
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:35 pm to
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Derrick Henry's not runnin no 4.5.
He ran a 4.45 at the Opening.
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Finishing third in the SPARQ challenge was Yulee, Florida running back Derrick Henry, a former Georgia commit who recently named Alabama the leader for his services. Henry, a 240-pound jumbo athlete, earned rave reviews for his athleticism at the event after posting a 4.45 forty time and a 42-inch vertical leap, the top mark at the event.


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Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:44 pm to
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Do you think he's better than Gurley? Each draft is different, but top 3 is pushing it.


He's definitely better than Gurley. But yes, top three is pushing it. I think Bo and Hershel have an edge on Fournette, but I can't think of another SEC back who was as good as him. Maybe Emmitt Smith. He was an odd duck, but extremely effective. Powerful, great eyes, and shifty quick. He had nowhere near Fournette's speed, but he was extremely good.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:45 pm to
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He's definitely better than Gurley.


Adamantly disagree
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:46 pm to
You crazy
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12428 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:01 pm to
Not saying Henry isn't fast, but a lot of athletes run slower at the combine than they do at the Opening. Landon Collins, for example, ran a 4.42 and won the SPARQ championship, only to run over a tenth slower at the combine at 4.53. He did gain a good bit of weight in college FWIW, but that's just one example.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 4:01 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:04 pm to
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Not saying Henry isn't fast, but a lot of athletes run slower at the combine than they do at the Opening. Landon Collins, for example, ran a 4.42 and won the SPARQ championship, only to run over a tenth slower at the combine at 4.53. He did gain a good bit of weight in college FWIW, but that's just one example.



Except anyone who watched Landon in games knew he was on the slower end of that scale.

Anyone who has watched Derek run away from cornerbacks in the SEC knows that he is still incredibly fast, especially for his size. He is a legitimate break away back.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:13 pm to
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nyone who has watched Derek run away from cornerbacks in the SEC knows that he is still incredibly fast, especially for his size. He is a legitimate break away back.


Yes, he does have breakaway ability and he is a home run threat, which is exceptional for a guy his size. That doesn't really explain 40 time though. 40 time is about acceleration more than anything. I know Henry has good top-end speed and a long stride, which does help him outrun SEC db's. I'll use another example. Jeremy hill had multiple touchdowns of over 50 yards in his LSU career, and I never once saw him get chased down by a db, or anyone else in fact. He was burning guys left and right. His best 40 time at the combine was a 4.64 at 235, which is very respectable, and to be honest, plenty of speed for an NFL back who just needs to move the chains. He himself was a home run threat with a 40 time in the 4.6's, because his top-end speed was great. Carlos Hyde also could outrun db's at about the same weight and a 40 time of 4.63.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:17 pm to
LOL. How do you explain LF running for less yards against Alabama than nearly every other back that played against them? He's a good RB but he's just not as special as you LSU homers think.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30232 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:54 pm to
Dude, you realize we can all dig up videos/gifs of LF pressing the wrong hole, getting brought down by a single DB? Yes, he's a great back. But, slow your roll.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66147 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:28 pm to
no reason for a rb to return that just put up all those numbers..

it's not like another monster season is going to make any difference and he only risk injury
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:37 pm to
Booger has poor vision. Better than TRich but significantly worse than Henry.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
4771 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:45 pm to
Are LSU people still talking about Fournette and Henry?



Someone needs to put the LSU football program out of its misery. This shite is embarrassing.
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:49 pm to
Yes. L5U people are still talking about 21-0.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83546 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:53 pm to
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Someone needs to put the LSU football program out of its misery. This shite is embarrassing.
It really is. 50% or so of these LSU posters have lost their damn mind. I honestly wish they'd get good at football again so this shite would stop.
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