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re: Why is ESPN so stupid?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:30 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:30 am to lsupride87
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You are a weird psycho that think athletes belong to you
They are human beings trying to better their life for themselves and their family
This is an incredible juxtaposition of an unrelated topic. Where in the world do you get this from? If you don't understand the "football is a team sport" concept, I can't help you.
I fully understand about wanting to better yourself and the situation for your family. I just value honor, commitment, sacrifice, and integrity more in a circumstance where these are not mutually exclusive to personal goals and desires.
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:33 am to iglass
quote:When you take a job at a company, are you not part of their team? Of course you are. But the second a better offer comes along you bolt. And nobody hold it against you
This is an incredible juxtaposition of an unrelated topic. Where in the world do you get this from? If you don't understand the "football is a team sport" concept, I can't help you.
I fully understand about wanting to better yourself and the situation for your family. I just value honor, commitment, sacrifice, and integrity more in a circumstance where these are not mutually exclusive to personal goals and desires.
This is no different, and it is why his teammates understand
But some people can't comprehend athletes are real people. They see them as pawns for their enjoyment
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:36 am to lsupride87
This is coming from a fan of a program that regularly "processes" 18-21 year olds.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:38 am to iglass
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I don't care how you slice it, both of these men are examples of selfish quitters. And I'd say the same about any Bama
Then go talk about them, you have plenty to choose from off your own team.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:41 am to LSU40
45 year old grown man leaves his company that has paid him 100s of thousands of dollars throughout the last 20 years, nobody judges him because he is making a decision for the betterment of his career and family
21 year old sits out 1 game from an institution that is only given him a scholarship in order to protect his career and the betterment of his family, and he is called a quitter and piece of shite
Society is so weird in regards to athletes
21 year old sits out 1 game from an institution that is only given him a scholarship in order to protect his career and the betterment of his family, and he is called a quitter and piece of shite
Society is so weird in regards to athletes
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:43 am to cajunbama
Someone's been stalking the tiger rant
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
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45 year old grown man leaves his company that has paid him 100s of thousands of dollars throughout the last 20 years, nobody judges him because he is making a decision for the betterment of his career and family
21 year old sits out 1 game from an institution that is only given him a scholarship in order to protect his career and the betterment of his family, and he is called a quitter and piece of shite
Society is so weird in regards to athletes
The problem is.... these are not comparable situations no matter how much you wish that it were so.
In the first situation of a company employee - in most states within the SEC footprint, they are employed "at will". That is, the company can let them go at any time without reason, and the employee can also quit at any time without reason. There is no contractual relationship between the two nor an expectation of continued future employment from a legal standpoint. If this employee had a specific contract to perform a unique job for a term, then yes, he can and should receive a lot of flak for non-performance of his contract. This is not uncommon either.
In the case of a college football player at the Div 1 level, he has received a scholarship in return for the use of his physical abilities and participation. Inequities aside (that's another argument), he has been PRIOR AND FUTURE COMPENSATED and there is absolutely an expectation of effort and participation. Every player who signs those scholarship papers understands this fully and completely.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:58 am to Sid E Walker
Did you watch the LSU/Ole Miss game?
No?
STFU
No?
STFU
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:59 am to iglass
quote:Saban cuts players, and they in turn lose their scholarship . So about that contractural obligation......
In the case of a college football player at the Div 1 level, he has received a scholarship in return for the use of his physical abilities and participation. Inequities aside (that's another argument), he has been PRIOR AND FUTURE COMPENSATED and there is absolutely an expectation of effort and participation. Every player who signs those scholarship papers understands this fully and completely.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
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When you take a job at a company, are you not part of their team? Of course you are. But the second a better offer comes along you bolt. And nobody hold it against you
This is no different, and it is why his teammates understand
But some people can't comprehend athletes are real people. They see them as pawns for their enjoyment
It is absolutely different as explained elsewhere.
But... just for the sake of argument, let's transpose this situation. I'll even use McCaffrey to take away the perceived Fournette and LSU bias.
McCaffrey is without question perceived as the best player on the Stanford team. The odds of their winning a game are certainly higher when he plays than when he does not. If he voluntarily chooses to not play or give full effort, he hurts his teams ability to compete well and do their best.
Now, as a manager, would you tolerate an employee being paid their fully agreed upon compensation if you saw that they were not giving their full effort? Would you let a salesman make only half of his sales calls? Would you let that factory worker show up late every day? Would you let the secretary take off without good reason extra holidays and Fridays? Of course not.
Understand that if Fournette and McCaffrey want to make this decision, fine, that's their right. I think it is a bad decision with negative long term ramifications, but I fully believe it is their right. But making this decision does not insulate them from reasonable criticism as public personalities.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:08 am to lsupride87
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Saban cuts players, and they in turn lose their scholarship . So about that contractural obligation......
A few items of note:
1. Feel free to provide specific examples.
2. Feel free to compare and contrast numbers compared to other programs.
3. Feel free to eliminate players who transfer or quit because they didn't feel they were getting enough playing time.
Personally, I have seen Saban "cut" a couple players over the last few years who DID keep scholarships. But as we know, there are ways of keeping scholarships that do not count towards the 85. All universities play these numbers games. I think you'd be hard pressed to find much of a list of those processed out without reason or obligation, but that's just me. If you come up with a couple of names, we can certainly discuss.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 10:09 am to eyeofthetiger3
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Why is ESPN so stupid?
It's run by liberals.
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