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re: Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?

Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 6:54 pm to
There is no good way to pay athletes. Most of them cost the university money . Paying all athletes does make anything fair when only football and men’s basketball make much money for the university.
Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:40 pm to
Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:02 pm to
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Poor poor academically inept teens who can run fast and jump high are given access to an education well beyond what they deserve in exchange for playing a game they love..oh the horror.


Got any thoughts not rooted in insulting stereotypes?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:12 pm to
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Got any thoughts not rooted in insulting stereotypes?


The truth is insulting? You think the average football player at Bama/UGA/Auburn/LSU etc fits the same academic profile as other Freshmen?

Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:32 pm to
I can’t tell you about specific athletes or schools but I can tell you that the graduation rate for NCAA athletes is far superior to the rate for the general student population. Granted there are a multitude of factors but I don’t think it’s fair to assume most athletes are undeserving of a quality education when in the most recent graduation success rates available 82% of them completed an undergrad program within 6 years of enrollment. The rate was 59% for the overall student population.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:36 pm to
Because they produce a product far more valuable that they are compensated?

Isn't that basic capitalism. You should be paid your value? They aren't. They are told no matter how much you earn the "company" you work for, you aren't allowed to make more than anyone else doing as you do.

College sports is socialism. frick that Bernie Sanders bullshite. Should be able to profit off your achievements and name.
Posted by BoomBoomBoom
Member since Oct 2013
940 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:59 am to
I agree with most of your points. However, you are seriously underestimating the value of exposure. The football players at LSU, Bama, Au, Uga, UF...are getting 30+ hours/season on national television. This alone is worth $Millions$ each year. Oh those poor underprivileged athletes.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:26 am to
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are getting 30+ hours/season on national television. This alone is worth $Millions$ each year


How exactly is it worth "$Millions$" each year when they can't financially gain from it?

It is worth exactly $0 to current college athletes.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:31 am to

Not sure what you are arguing because a football player who wins a heisman FR + SO year still wouldn't be able to get a big contract despite proving himself "worthy" as consecutive best player in the game


Irrelevant. If a 7th round draft choice in the NFL wins the MVP award his first two seasons in the league, he still has to play out his rookie contract.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:34 am to
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Isn't that basic capitalism. You should be paid your value? They aren't.


This. If people are willing to pay for recruits, pay players and offer them marketing deals, the players clearly have untapped value.

While I think kids should be able to capitalize of their own image at any point, I'm fine with the baseball system which has a clear, quality alternative to NCAA which is playing in the minor leagues on potentially large pro contracts.

The NFL has no alternative development league structure while the NBA G League contracts make it effectively a stupid option with no chance of NBA callup. I guess you can play overseas but I don't think that's a good "alternative" for an 18 YO kid
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:41 am to
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Irrelevant. If a 7th round draft choice in the NFL wins the MVP award his first two seasons in the league, he still has to play out his rookie contract.


The problem is there is no alternatives for a college football player not draft eligible to financially be rewarded for the value they provide. The lack of competition for their services is the problem

You can't ask an amateur league to fill the void of professional leagues. It completely goes against what amateur athletics is about when you are effectively forced into amateurism



The NBA's commissioner has been openly talking about starting to build a path to the NBA that doesn't go through the NCAA and getting rid of the one and done. I believe this is a great step

NCAA didn't have the star power of the 1 and done era, but the amateur model was significantly stronger.


This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 1:53 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60675 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:37 am to
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How exactly is it worth "$Millions$" each year when they can't financially gain from it?

They do gain financially. When they go to the NFL they gain. When they go job hunting and they put down they played football at one of these schools, they gain. (Even if they don't make it in the NFL)

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It is worth exactly $0 to current college athletes.
At that very moment, it sure is. How many 18 year old kids in their first job without a college education make $40,000+ a year? They make much more than that in tuition,room, food, stipends,books, crab legs, free shoes, etc. Not to mention they get free training, coaching,to prepare them for their future job, that they would not get if not for the Universities.
Posted by BoomBoomBoom
Member since Oct 2013
940 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:44 am to
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How exactly is it worth "$Millions$" each year when they can't financially gain from it?
Obviously you have no understanding of the cost of marketing. Star players get their names plastered all over national television and other media all season long at no cost to them. They become household names because of the school they play for, not their athletic ability. Try to promote a product nationally and let me know how much it costs.
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It is worth exactly $0 to current college athletes.
If the NFL started a minor league farm system, like MLB, these players would be virtually unknown. How many players in minor leagues can you name? Further break it down by AAA ball, AA ball, and A ball with AAA being star players, AA being regular contributors and A being benchwarmers. I'll hang up and listen.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:54 am to
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How many players in minor leagues can you name? Further break it down by AAA ball, AA ball, and A ball with AAA being star players, AA being regular contributors and A being benchwarmers.
I can name quite a few in hockey and soccer. Don't give a shite about baseball but would be able to name a lot if I cared.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:59 am to
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There is no good way to pay athletes
Letting them make money on their name is a pretty damn easy and good way to let them make money.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24856 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 7:11 am to
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I can’t tell you about specific athletes or schools but I can tell you that the graduation rate for NCAA athletes is far superior to the rate for the general student population. Granted there are a multitude of factors but I don’t think it’s fair to assume most athletes are undeserving of a quality education when in the most recent graduation success rates available 82% of them completed an undergrad program within 6 years of enrollment. The rate was 59% for the overall student population


Few things. None of this has to do with criteria for admittance. Secondly you are using two different formulas for grad rates (not your fault generally reported wrongly just like you did). You are also talking all athletes, not football/basketball which is where the thread started. The avg student admitted to UK last year had a 26 ACT and a 3.8 weighted GPA. If you believe the average basketball or football player had similar, then I guess that’s your right.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30819 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 7:41 am to
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They absolutely could. The problem is that they're not doing it off their own likeness, they have the platform of a major university in a college sports organization.

If we're talking about just a bunch of dudes going to toss a football to one another in a random field somewhere where people are paying hundreds of dollars to go see it, then absolutely they can keep all they money they want... Not when they have the university/NCAAF branding behind them.

AMEN!
This is absolutely correct. I'm amazed at the # of people who want to further inject $$$ into the amateur sport experience. Professional sports have clearly shown us how $$$ perverts the essence of any game, or sport.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:11 am to
On the surface I agree with you. The problem is they see the school preaching the virtues of amateurism and the benefits they get as a student athlete...

BUT on the other hand they see that same school fleecing fans for every nickel they can possibly get. They see ticket prices, parking prices, tailgating reservations etc that are kept high, pricing out regular joes, while there are thousands of open seats in their stadiums and venues every saturday.

They see their conferences negotiating blockbuster deals with TV networks while their games get longer and longer because of commercial breaks. They see glorified secretaries and pencil pushers in their athletic departments pulling in 6, sometimes 7 figure salaries for doing jobs a well trained chimp could do...why? because schools are non-profit entities and they have to spend those millions somehow..

Point is, I agree that college athletes should be amateurs...but so should athletic departments. Every financial decision should be prioritized in this order 1) The athletes and 2) The student body 3) The fans 4) The bottom line.

An example of this: Bama has been starting to have game attendance issues for lesser games. Prices for those games should be LOWERED before the season starts. Once the game starts, the unbought tickets should be lowered again. Concession prices should be lowered for all games...with the prices just high enough to hire the people to clean the stadium afterward. To incentivize attendance for crappy games, sell concessions at even lower costs and use your TV money to pay the cleanup crew.

Another example:
CBS games have gotten ridiculously long. This is an annoying problem for everyone: players, fans in attendance, fans watching on TV. Schools/Conferences should renegotiate deals to limit commercial time, even for halftime...show highlights..then show the halftime shows. Sure they will get less money..but they at least wont be hypocrites when preaching the virtues of amateurism to their student athletes.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:13 am to
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Professional sports have clearly shown us how $$$ perverts the essence of any game, or sport.

Nah.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5382 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:21 am to
If they get paid, can I have the NCAA video game series back? If so, I'm all for it.
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