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re: Why do bama fans think Mac should win the Heisman when clearly Trask should win it.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
(quote]Yes, I think devonta is your best player. And should finish 2nd in the heisman race. [/quote]
I do believe that Devonta SHOULD win the Heisman because he’s the best player in football this year, but probably won’t just because he’s a wide receiver. The award is supposed to go to the best player in college football, but doesn’t usually go that way.
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Well I think he should finish #1
I do believe that Devonta SHOULD win the Heisman because he’s the best player in football this year, but probably won’t just because he’s a wide receiver. The award is supposed to go to the best player in college football, but doesn’t usually go that way.
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Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:34 am to Wildcat1996
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Is this the same Trask that is 0-1 vs. Kellen Mond?
i like how you think Trask was the reason for losing to aTm.
K. Trask
23-32, 312 YDS, 4 TD vs aTm
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:42 am to GobyGator
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To be honest it the argument should be Pitts vs Smith. Those two are freaks at their positions. Mac and Kyle as great of stats each are putting up neither is flashy.
It would be cool if Pitt won, because I’ve never seen a tight end win the award
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:50 am to Tigerbait1977
Smith should be the Heisman leader.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:57 am to Tigerbait1977
Mac has produced in a dual role.
Mac is an all star QB, but he really separates himself with his holding of placekicks.
Think of all the PATs and FGs which really should be equally attributed to Mac, instead they just lump those points on the kicker.
Mac is an all star QB, but he really separates himself with his holding of placekicks.
Think of all the PATs and FGs which really should be equally attributed to Mac, instead they just lump those points on the kicker.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 11:58 am to makersmark1
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Mac is an all star QB, but he really separates himself with his holding of placekicks.
Excellent point
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:20 pm to Tigerbait1977
Both quarterbacks are great. Trask has more touchdown passes however Jones leads all other stats including qb rating. Because Alabama has a better running attack, Jones generally hands off inside the 20 yard line where as Trask throws the ball. If Jones threw the ball inside the 20, he would have just as many touchdown passes. Also because Bama has been so dominant in games, Jones hardly plays in the second half of games. Either way, I believe the Heisman will be decided next week when they meet in the SEC Championship game.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:22 pm to Tigerbait1977
Jones may be the best QB to see the field in the SEC Championship game and that comes from a Gator.
Oh, did I mention I was talking about Emory Jones?
Oh, did I mention I was talking about Emory Jones?
This post was edited on 12/11/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:29 pm to Tigerbait1977
Smith is most outstanding player in CFB and should win.
Mac and Trask are both great underdog stories having extraordinary years. Some is coaching/scheme, some is surrounding talent, but most is a workman effort, tenacity, and team first attitude for each. Not butt hurt if either were to win, except for the injustice it would be for Smith who is all of the above and more. Would be a first rounder and instead of opting out, he is committed to the team and is returning punts and trying to expand his role wherever he can.
Mac and Trask are both great underdog stories having extraordinary years. Some is coaching/scheme, some is surrounding talent, but most is a workman effort, tenacity, and team first attitude for each. Not butt hurt if either were to win, except for the injustice it would be for Smith who is all of the above and more. Would be a first rounder and instead of opting out, he is committed to the team and is returning punts and trying to expand his role wherever he can.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:36 pm to Tigerbait1977
How about we decide this on 12/19
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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DeVonta plays with a good not elite John Metchie and a Slade Bolden along side him and has a replaceable game manager throwing him the ball. And he's still the best WR in the country.
I think Elijah Moore has had a better year than Smith.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:40 pm to Tigerbait1977
quote:That's because Mac is taken out in the early 4th quarter in most games (only played 4th qtr in 5 games) and Bryce Young plays. Trask has played every 4th quarter in all 9 of his games, padding his stats.
Mac jones himself has only been sacked 8 times. Young may have been sacked more to get to that number.
Mac doesn't pad his stats. Mac also has more yards (12.2)
per attempt than Trask, 10.1; Mac has a greater completion percentage - 75.7%, than Trask - 71.4%; and Mac has a higher quarterback rating - 210.83, than Trask - 193.11.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:43 pm to bigDgator
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I think Elijah Moore has had a better year than Smith.
Disagree. Moore has 6 more catches, but less total yds, less yds per catch and half the TDs.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:47 pm to bigDgator
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I think Elijah Moore has had a better year than Smith.
Yards Per Target
D. Smith - 12.43
E. Moore - 11.85
Avg Yards after Catch
D. Smith - 8.54
E. Moore - 6.00
Success Rate When Targeted
D. Smith - 67.6%
E. Moore - 65.4%
Explosive Play %
D. Smith - 17.1%
E. Moore - 14.9%
% of catches that are a 1D or TD
D. Smith - 58.1%
E. Moore - 54.5%
Moore's been great. DeVonta has been better.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:47 pm to jatebe
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That's because Mac is taken out in the early 4th quarter
It is also a credit to his pocket presence and awareness, which are superb and horribly underrated part of his skillset. He also complements a strong OL pass block with elite decision making and ability to quickly read the defense a deliver the ball to the best place or get rid of it.
He makes very few poor decisions this year as a starter.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:52 pm to Hback
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Disagree. Moore has 6 more catches, but less total yds, less yds per catch and half the TDs.
Also Smith has played and extra game over Moore and there are more weapons on Smith's team for other teams to account for. Moore has been doubled all year.
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Our bias noted, but it is true. No one has been able to cover DeVonta in 4 yrs. Now, with Waddle out, he is the clear #1 and homerun threat and teams still can't stop it.
Moore's been great. DeVonta has been better.
Smith trails by 4 yds and is getting 2 fewer receptions per game than Elijah Moore. Smith accounts for 39% of Bama receptions compared to Moore's 45%
Um passes on ~41% of plays compared to about 45% for Bama, but Smith is also typically not playing a full game whereas Moore would be. That likely accts for the extra 2 receptions per game.
The 15 TD receptions jump off the page though for Smith through 9 games, especially looking at what Harris and the Bama rushing attack has done on the ground to swoop in and steal TDs.
Both are great and a vote for Moore is absolutely valid. But, just knowing and seeing Bama benefit from Kiffin, I can't help but wonder how much of Moore's success is tied to scheme vs head to head ability.
Personally, I feel Smith would be Ole Miss #1 if he were on the team with Moore.
This post was edited on 12/11/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:59 pm to Glorious
aka the model of a perfect offense was LSU last year. Good RB, elite QB, 3 elite WRs, good line, and good offensive coaching 
Posted on 12/11/20 at 12:59 pm to Tigerbait1977
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Mac jones himself has only been sacked 8 times. Young may have been sacked more to get to that number.
Do you know the name of UF's second string QB....
Posted on 12/11/20 at 1:05 pm to bigDgator
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Moore has been doubled all year.
My bad, I forgot that Devonta is never doubled.
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