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Why did SEC teams play unbalanced schedules?
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:15 pm
I was looking up the 1969 season, and saw that Tennessee was SEC Champs with a 5-1 record, and LSU was second with a 4-1 record. These uneven schedules continued for a while, and I’m sure were around before that year.
My question is why? This essentially means some teams need help to win the conference right out of the gate.
My question is why? This essentially means some teams need help to win the conference right out of the gate.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:16 pm to TexasTiger08
The old days were weird
I think I heard teams could choose to play more or less. Alabama scheduled more so they could win the championship more easily. That's just being smarter than the rest of the SEC schools
I think I heard teams could choose to play more or less. Alabama scheduled more so they could win the championship more easily. That's just being smarter than the rest of the SEC schools
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:17 pm to TexasTiger08
Travel used to be a lot different.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:22 pm to TexasTiger08
My guess is that this is somehow Brett Kavanaugh's fault and he is lying about it.
I have spent way too much time on Twitter, though, so there's that.
I have spent way too much time on Twitter, though, so there's that.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:38 pm to TexasTiger08
If the conference schedules were uneven, it's because the conference didn't standardize scheduling back then.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 12:38 pm to TexasTiger08
It was much more like OOC schedules are now.
Georgia Tech refused to play games in Mississippi, sometimes teams would play more games than other teams, etc.
Georgia Tech refused to play games in Mississippi, sometimes teams would play more games than other teams, etc.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:34 pm to TexasTiger08
During the 50's and 60's -- ironically through 1968, the SEC really only said you had to play 6 SEC games. In the 60's when Tulane and Georgia Tech left that posed some problems as in that era it truly was difficult to re-schedule games as many were set 7-10 years out.
The conference instituted a solution for "appointed conference games." Really not sure how those particular games were chosen but somehow,someway a particular team (or teams) would be chosen that were truly non-conference teams would count win,lose or tie as a conference game. LSU actually played two "designated conference games" in 1968, TCU and Tulane. Had that formula stayed in place one more year LSU and Tennessee would have been co-champs. Oddly enough both of their regular season losses were to Ole Miss in Jackson. LSU lost 26-23 and Tennessee lost 38-0.
Obviously in 1969 the 6 game minimum was eliminated. LSU did win the SEC the next year in 1970 with a 5-0 record. Uniformity didn't take place until 1972 when teams did have to play at least 6 games. But you could play more. Auburn defeated Alabama 17-16 in 1972, but Alabama won the SEC with a 7-1 record while Auburn was 6-1. Also in 1972 through 1987 conference schedules were set with 5 permanent opponents and then a sixth game would come from the remaining 4 teams on a home and home basis.
Starting in 1978 the SEC would only recognize 6 conference games. Alabama and Ole Miss' games vs each other in 1980 and 1981 were counted as 'non-conference' games.
What I never have understood is why prior to the 1972 new scheduling procedures particular teams played other SEC teams so rarely. Before 1978, LSU-Georgia and Auburn-Vanderbilt hadn't met since the 50's. Alabama and Kentucky's 1972 game was their first since the 40's. Strange.
The conference instituted a solution for "appointed conference games." Really not sure how those particular games were chosen but somehow,someway a particular team (or teams) would be chosen that were truly non-conference teams would count win,lose or tie as a conference game. LSU actually played two "designated conference games" in 1968, TCU and Tulane. Had that formula stayed in place one more year LSU and Tennessee would have been co-champs. Oddly enough both of their regular season losses were to Ole Miss in Jackson. LSU lost 26-23 and Tennessee lost 38-0.
Obviously in 1969 the 6 game minimum was eliminated. LSU did win the SEC the next year in 1970 with a 5-0 record. Uniformity didn't take place until 1972 when teams did have to play at least 6 games. But you could play more. Auburn defeated Alabama 17-16 in 1972, but Alabama won the SEC with a 7-1 record while Auburn was 6-1. Also in 1972 through 1987 conference schedules were set with 5 permanent opponents and then a sixth game would come from the remaining 4 teams on a home and home basis.
Starting in 1978 the SEC would only recognize 6 conference games. Alabama and Ole Miss' games vs each other in 1980 and 1981 were counted as 'non-conference' games.
What I never have understood is why prior to the 1972 new scheduling procedures particular teams played other SEC teams so rarely. Before 1978, LSU-Georgia and Auburn-Vanderbilt hadn't met since the 50's. Alabama and Kentucky's 1972 game was their first since the 40's. Strange.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:44 pm to TexasTiger08
The conference wasn't in charge of scheduling until the late 70s or early 80s. Some programs even scheduled ACC teams that counted as conference games.
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Posted on 10/1/18 at 1:57 pm to TexasTiger08
In the old days the term "conference" was a rather loosely defined term. Schools made their own schedules and they weren't always home and home. When Ga Teck was in the conference they would not travel much at all. Auburn had to come to Atlanta every year and Teck would not travel to the Mississippi schools at all.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:24 pm to I-59 Tiger
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LSU actually played two "designated conference games" in 1968, TCU and Tulane.
One of our games against Texas Tech was counted as an SEC game back then.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:38 pm to Bankshot
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Georgia Tech refused to play games in Mississippi.
I had never heard of this before. What was the reason for this? Some kind of grudge?
Posted on 10/1/18 at 2:41 pm to bunkerhill
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When Ga Teck was in the conference they would not travel much at all.
Rambling wreck
Posted on 10/1/18 at 3:06 pm to TexasTiger08
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I was looking up the 1969 season, and saw that Tennessee was SEC Champs with a 5-1 record, and LSU was second with a 4-1 record.
Go back and look at 1950, when Bear Bryant was at Kentucky. Both Kentucky and Tennessee finished 10-1 in the regular season, but Kentucky finished 5-1 while UT finished 4-1 in conference...so, Kentucky wins the SEC. The ironic thing...Kentucky's SEC loss was to Tennessee. Even though UT won the head-to-head, they finished 2nd because they played one less SEC game.
Taking it even further...Kentucky played one SEC team with a winning record that season (Tennessee). Tennessee (with the TSIO), had to play Kentucky and Alabama (which finished 8-2).
Playing the extra game was how Bryant played the system, and he did the same thing when he went to Bama.
Bama won the following SEC championships because of the extra game in the following years:
1961 (both Bama and LSU undefeated in conference)
1965 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss and one tie)
1972 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss)
1977 (both Bama and Kentucky are undefeated in conference, Kentucky's would later be taken away due to probation)
Posted on 10/1/18 at 3:18 pm to PikeBishop
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I had never heard of this before. What was the reason for this? Some kind of grudge?
I don't think anyone really knows why but Bobby Dodd just refused to schedule them. All he ever said was “Whatever is there to go to Mississippi for? We like to take our fans to exciting places and Mississippi isn’t one.”
He also had a "fued" with Bear Bryant, a long time friend, and refused to play Alabama after what he deemed a dirty hit in a game in 1964, and they didn't play again until 1975.
This post was edited on 10/1/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/1/18 at 3:30 pm to madmaxvol
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Bama won the following SEC championships because of the extra game in the following years:
1961 (both Bama and LSU undefeated in conference)
1965 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss and one tie)
1972 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss)
1977 (both Bama and Kentucky are undefeated in conference, Kentucky's would later be taken away
due to probation)
LSU is and has been recognized as 1961 Co-Champ. Kentucky was ineligible for the title prior to the 1977 season.
Auburn does have somewhat of beef,maybe about 1972. But Alabama smacked them pretty good in 1965.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 4:05 pm to I-59 Tiger
Someday people will be looking at the 2017 season and wondering "how did bama get in the playoffs. Both bama and Auburn finished with 7-1 conference records and Auburn smacked bama by double digits."
Posted on 10/1/18 at 6:00 pm to madmaxvol
quote:And are listed as Co-champions.
1961 (both Bama and LSU undefeated in conference)
quote:Bama (6-1-1) defeated Auburn (4-1-1) that year 30-3.
1965 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss and one tie)
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1972 (both Bama and Auburn have one loss)
Now this one, I'm not sure about. The wiki claims Bama won the SEC championship when they defeated LSU in Nov. But Bama lost to Auburn that year. I did do some research & according to this Auburn article, the champs were picked by percentage, so this one year Bama did benefit from the extra game.
Read the article LINK..... it explains and very interestingly, Bama wasn't the only one benefiting from an extra game.
quote:Yes, they would have been co-champs, but Kentucky was not eligible due to NCAA probation.
1977 (both Bama and Kentucky are undefeated in conference, Kentucky's would later be taken away due to probation)
Posted on 10/1/18 at 6:27 pm to MizzouTrue
This sounds like a great idea for Vandy; just decide to play fewer conference games. If we limit it to UT, Ark, and Ole Miss, we have a chance to be unbeaten.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 6:39 pm to bunkerhill
For a good number of years Ole Miss and LSU played each other mostly in Baton Rouge, as Ole Miss got more money than playing in Mississippi.
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