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re: Why can't part of the equation be Conference Champion
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:04 pm to JaxTiger10
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:04 pm to JaxTiger10
All it proved was that under a certain set of circumstances LSU could scrape by Bama. Bama proved on 1/9 that it could dominate LSU. If you can't show up to a national title game, are you really the best team?
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:05 pm to JuiceTerry
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And they still didn't get it right. Still no real criteria.
Yep. Its sucks. I guess it's too much to ask for a set of guidelines at the beginning of the season, so the coaches and players have some control. Its laughable that a p5 team could go undefeated and still not get a shite at the title. I know they will never set those guidelines , so just give us an 8 team playoff with 5 p5 conf champs and 3 at large.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:05 pm to JaxTiger10
Overcomplicating the simple.
There are PLENTY of examples of best teams not winning conference championships. Even in the SEC. You pretend that all schedules are created equal in this instance -- and 5 seconds from now you will be crying about Florida again? Which is it?
It's ignorance. LSU fans "cry" about a process that worked where CLEARLY the two best teams played for the title game. Ultimately, your complaint and goal is for the process NOT to work -- and to set up a scenario for a cupcake in the title game instead of what was actually the best team?
You literally can't make your approach make sense to me. Can't do it. Luckily, it clearly doesn't make sense to the "smart" people making these decisions either.
There are PLENTY of examples of best teams not winning conference championships. Even in the SEC. You pretend that all schedules are created equal in this instance -- and 5 seconds from now you will be crying about Florida again? Which is it?
It's ignorance. LSU fans "cry" about a process that worked where CLEARLY the two best teams played for the title game. Ultimately, your complaint and goal is for the process NOT to work -- and to set up a scenario for a cupcake in the title game instead of what was actually the best team?
You literally can't make your approach make sense to me. Can't do it. Luckily, it clearly doesn't make sense to the "smart" people making these decisions either.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:06 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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All it proved was that under a certain set of circumstances LSU could scrape by Bama. Bama proved on 1/9 that it could dominate LSU. If you can't show up to a national title game, are you really the best team?
If you've only beaten 2 ranked teams all year and in November you have a shot to win the west @ HOME and lose, do you deserve to be in the national title game?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:08 pm to JaxTiger10
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Yep. Its sucks. I guess it's too much to ask for a set of guidelines at the beginning of the season, so the coaches and players have some control.
Guidelines are damn clear. Be one of the best 4 teams.
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Its laughable that a p5 team could go undefeated and still not get a shite at the title.
It's laughable that a P5 team could go undefeated -- and see less overall competition over the course of a season than MSU saw in October this year.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:08 pm to JaxTiger10
Well that would depend on the other teams in the country and how they fared in their regular seasons now wouldn't it.
- the sec championship is it's own trophy completely irrelevant on the national level until it is actually tied to the other conferences in some sort of fashion. The only relevance it has is the national exposure your team gets in the games it plays.
- the sec championship is it's own trophy completely irrelevant on the national level until it is actually tied to the other conferences in some sort of fashion. The only relevance it has is the national exposure your team gets in the games it plays.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:09 pm to Diver
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How could you put someone in the Championship "mix" if they don't even win their respective conference?
This has never, ever, been discussed.
Seriously...and this is really pretty simple to grasp. Take, for example, Kansas State. KSU wins out and wins the Big 12. Auburn and MSU win out, MSU wins the SECCG. Auburn beat KSU. What that goes to show that if the second best team in the SEC beats the Big 12 champion head to head...at Kansas State...then the two conferences obviously aren't equal.
That's why conference championships take a back seat to head to head and strength of schedule. All conferences are not created equal.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:09 pm to engie
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There are PLENTY of examples of best teams not winning conference championships. Even in the SEC. You pretend that all schedules are created equal in this instance -- and 5 seconds from now you will be crying about Florida again? Which is it?
Not once did I say all schedules are equal.
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It's ignorance. LSU fans "cry" about a process that worked where CLEARLY the two best teams played for the title game.
Again the word best is subjective.
TEAM A: beat 5 ranked teams and 7 in the top 50 12-1 record
TEAM B: beat 2 ranked teams and 5 in the top 50. 12 -1 record
Which of these teams is the best?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
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That's why conference championships take a back seat to head to head and strength of schedule. All conferences are not created equal.
If you aren't the best team in YOUR conference(forget the other conference), how can you be the best team in the country? You
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:12 pm to JaxTiger10
I can't believe you are trying to have the 2011 debate again...
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:14 pm to JaxTiger10
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so the coaches and players have some control.
Yeah, the poor coaches and players have absolutely zero control. Christian Jones had absolutely no control over fumbling against Ole Miss. Freeze and Bo had zero control over the botched QB sneak and throwing the ball into the endzone at the end of the game.
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Its laughable that a p5 team could go undefeated and still not get a shite at the title.
What's laughable is that you actually think four one-loss teams would ever be ranked ahead of a undefeated power five conference champion.
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I guess it's too much to ask for a set of guidelines at the beginning of the season,
The guidelines were set at the beginning of the season. 1. Head to head. 2. Strength of schedule. 3. Conference championships. Most people hae been paying attention. You should have been too.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:14 pm to JaxTiger10
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Again the word best is subjective.
TEAM A: beat 5 ranked teams and 7 in the top 50 12-1 record
TEAM B: beat 2 ranked teams and 5 in the top 50. 12 -1 record
Which of these teams is the best?
The one that won the last game wins the championship -- just like every other sport known to man. Otherwise, they would hand out regular season titles and be done with it.
NO SPORT DOES A BETTER JOB OF MAKING THE "BEST TEAM" THE CHAMPION THAN COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
So, do the Broncos deserve the Super Bowl championship for last year? I can go through about a million metrics saying they were the better team before the game was played -- not the least of which is regular season record.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:15 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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That's why conference championships take a back seat to head to head and strength of schedule. All conferences are not created equal.
I'm not. I'm discussing the op. I was over 1/9 on 1/9. I didnt participate in the game so I wasn't bothered by it.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:20 pm to engie
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The one that won the last game wins the championship -- just like every other sport known to man. Otherwise, they would hand out regular season titles and be done with
Which one of those teams are better?
Beat 5 top 25 teams
Beat 2 top 25 teams
Same record
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NO SPORT DOES A BETTER JOB OF MAKING THE "BEST TEAM" THE CHAMPION THAN COLLEGE FOOTBA
Holy shite. The cfb national title is the s most subjective title in all.of organized sports. The minute the game is over the analyst ddiscuss whether or not the participants deserved to be in the game. The coaches and players have no control over making the game. You can win every single game and not get in the game.
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So, do the Broncos deserve the Super Bowl for last year? I can go through about a million metrics saying they were the better team before the game was played.
Youre stupid. For the 1000th time. The nfl has a set criteria on making the playoffs. Cfb doesn't. Miss st could win every single game and be left out of the championship. That would never happen in the nfl or any American sport for that matter. Just let the adults talk.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:21 pm to JaxTiger10
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If you aren't the best team in YOUR conference(forget the other conference), how can you be the best team in the country?
Because there actually has to be a game...or in this case, a final four...to actually determine the champion. So by default, there will be three teams that get in that AREN"T the best team in the country. And the committee is selecting the best four teams...which is not at all the same as selecting the best four conference champions.
But maybe one of those teams actually slips up and beats the best team.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:23 pm to JaxTiger10
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I was over 1/9 on 1/9.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:24 pm to JaxTiger10
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JaxTiger10
Why can't part of the equation be Conference Champion
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That's why conference championships take a back seat to head to head and strength of schedule. All conferences are not created equal.
I'm not. I'm discussing the op. I was over 1/9 on 1/9. I didnt participate in the game so I wasn't bothered by it.
And I was discussing a potential non-champion Auburn having already beaten a potential champion K-State at K-State.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:28 pm to BamaGradinTn
Then why did you say I was talking about 2011? I was discussing the op.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:28 pm to JaxTiger10
Tell me are you going to give back your 2007 National Champion? I am just curious because a team that losses to Kentucky and Arkansas doesn't seem to be the best team in country.
Oh how about 2003 you lost to Florida at home. I guess no one should every lose at home right.
Oh how about 2003 you lost to Florida at home. I guess no one should every lose at home right.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:31 pm to oneusairman
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Tell me are you going to give back your 2007 National Champion? I am just curious because a team that losses to Kentucky and Arkansas doesn't seem to be the best team in country.
You mean 2007 sec champ lsu? Yes we backed into the bcs title game. Just like bama in 2011&2012.
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Oh how about 2003 you lost to Florida at home. I guess no one should every lose at home right.
You mean 2003 sec champ lsu?
This thread is about non conference champs. Lsu won the sec both of those yeas.
I can see why Bama fans don't want conference titles to matter. You cant win the sec so you have to back your way into title games.
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