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re: Why Bryan Harsin believes the Boise State blueprint will work at Auburn

Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:01 am to
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:01 am to
quote:

What current SEC coaches have former assistants that are also current SEC head coaches?

Saban
Smart
Harsin



It really depends on the context of that, does Smart have an assistant besides Pittman that is a coach? Obviously Pittman was really well respected before Smart hired him.

Saban is on a different level than everyone else when it comes to former assistants getting head coaching jobs though.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
8616 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:04 am to
So Harison landing between Smart and Saban, closer to Smart, is outside the realm of possibility....it's July....he hasn't coached a down
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:08 am to
quote:


So Harison landing between Smart and Saban, closer to Smart, is outside the realm of possibility....it's July....he hasn't coached a down


I'm not sure how that response correlates to what I was saying

I asked a question and made a statement about how different each of the situations are for the coaches.

It had nothing to do with Harsin being bad or good
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17317 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:09 am to
quote:

Jeremy Pruitt I will bring up once again as an example. It was apparent before he was hired he wouldn't be a good HC. Yet Tennessee did it anyway and why? For the same stupid reasons you guys keep naming.

That would be a valid comparison if he had been an HC for 9 years already, with multiple conference championships. Which he hadn’t.

If you really wanted to compare Harsin to a former Vol HC you should have picked Lyle. He was a successful HC at the G5 level and won a few conference titles as well. Of course he was also considered a solid hire by UT at the time.

And if you ask the vast majority of AU posters here, we realize Harsin is a roll of the dice, just like Jones was at UT. Not every school can afford to throw the most onesided contract in CFB history at a Nick Saban like Bama did in ‘07, but then again yall were desperate for success after four consecutive disastrous hires.

Again, if Harsin fails at AU I’ll be the first to congratulate you on your brilliant analysis.

Well, I take that back - I’ll be the second, since you’ve already sprained your arm patting yourself on the back here.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21393 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:11 am to
I don’t think there’s really a comparable dynamic in the SEC right now.

4 years ago if Tennessee fans started multiple threads about Saban’s poor coaching (which didn’t happen…for Saban or Harsin) it would be closer to being as dumb as a Mizzou fan starting multiple threads about Harsin.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:17 am to
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4 years ago if Tennessee fans started multiple threads about Saban’s poor coaching (which didn’t happen…for Saban or Harsin) it would be closer to being as dumb as a Mizzou fan starting multiple threads about Harsin.




I mean look, Harsin has a great win% but there are some serious questions (most coaches have these) about him that should be answered within the first two years or so.

Harsin didn't luck into those wins but we certainly could look back in 2-3 years and believe those numbers were significantly inflated because of different reasons.

We could also look back and say this guy should have been hired to a big school sooner if he starts killing it.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Why Bryan Harsin believes the Boise State blueprint will work at Auburn



I'm really surprised he didn't say "I don't think the scheme and program design I've used and been around for 20 years is going to work at my new job. Still working on a new one."
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21393 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:22 am to
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We could also look back and say this guy should have been hired to a big school sooner if he starts killing it.

He allegedly had some offers but didn’t consider them until Auburn came calling. He also realized Boise had reached a ceiling until they started investing more on coaches and facilities.
People will point to his record there vs Petersen’s and not acknowledge there were other factors (like the arms race with coaching staffs and facilities) that weren’t as much of a factor 10 years ago.

There are very few negatives to Harsin IMO. Of course he’s a gamble, but there are only handful of coaching candidates every year that are not.

I’m thrilled Auburn didn’t hire a guy like Muschamp or Lashlee or Drinkwitz or somebody like that just because they have coached in Auburn before. There are a lot of good coaches out there and it’s dumb to assume they won’t do well elsewhere because of geography
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 11:25 am
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
77328 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:34 am to
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You hired a shrimp boat captain with a losing record yet you still say that Harsin can't be successful?




One he never was a shrimp boat captain and its amazing how you all gloss over his winning record as a head coach because of his first coaching gig at Ole Miss while ignoring going 12-4 coaching USC and LSU in interim positions...

His track record of recruiting and Miami and USC the defensive side of the ball speaks for itself with the NC's to back it up...now he has the NC as a head coach of the GOAT team in college football to add...

USC still kicks themselves in the arse for not keeping him...while he was not the first choice, like many things in life, it turned out to be the right choice in the long run...

Do I think Harsin can be successful? Yes, but I do not see him exceeding anything that Gus accomplished...
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:36 am to
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There are very few negatives to Harsin IMO. Of course he’s a gamble, but there are only handful of coaching candidates every year that are not.


IMO, the hire felt underwhelming by Auburn's standards. Might just be because it isn't the flashy hire. Those "flashy" hires were probably more risky though.

Two years ago Harsin's name was through around towards the end of our search, not that there was serious interest from either side but I didn't like the idea of the hire in the moment. Having said that, I wasn't happy about the Pittman hire either.

quote:


I’m thrilled Auburn didn’t hire a guy like Muschamp or Lashlee or Drinkwitz or somebody like that just because they have coached in Auburn before. There are a lot of good coaches out there and it’s dumb to assume they won’t do well elsewhere because of geography


Don't disagree with any of that
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 11:37 am
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15941 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 11:45 am to
Coach Harsin will either succeed or fail.

No way to judge since he has not coached a game at Auburn.

It is what it is.
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
Prattville Al
Member since May 2020
1753 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:43 pm to
Damn, I was hoping this thread had a shirtless pic of Harsin....
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9508 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Kirby’s more successful at this point of his HC’ing career than Saban was. So……….


You’re right!! The writing is on the wall. Kirby is going to win 6+ titles and UGA is going to be the next dynasty…
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22741 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

What current SEC coaches have former assistants that are also current SEC head coaches?

Saban
Smart
Harsin

But you must be right that Harsin will be the complete polar opposite huh?


Harsin is a bad HC because of his actual HC record.

Auburn fans are trying to claim other coaches must be bad also if they were ever hired by him.

That's dumb.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5820 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:30 pm to
Recruiting , recruiting , recruiting.

In the SEC, recruiting separates the top 4-5 schools from everyone else. The best scheme in the world won’t consistently beat the teams with the best recruits. Last year, Alabama could have run any offensive or defensive scheme conceivable and finished no worse than 2nd in the SEC. Vandy, however, could have run Alabama or Georgia’s schemes and still finished last. Harsin will succeed IF he can recruit at a high level. If not , he will be looking for a job in 3-4 years. Ed Orgeron and Les Miles both won National Championships as head coaches. I promise you that their coaching acumen or ability had very little to do with it.
Posted by Miznoz
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2018
2161 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:32 pm to
Truelefty owns all of you lol
Posted by TheGusBus34
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2014
1635 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Recruiting , recruiting , recruiting.


While this is true, its not hard to recruit at Auburn, the last 4 Auburn Coaches have either gone undefeated, won a title or played for a title. Auburn has gone undefeated at least once the last 3 decades, not to many teams can say this.


Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16241 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

Recruiting , recruiting , recruiting.

In the SEC, recruiting separates the top 4-5 schools from everyone else. The best scheme in the world won’t consistently beat the teams with the best recruits. Last year, Alabama could have run any offensive or defensive scheme conceivable and finished no worse than 2nd in the SEC. Vandy, however, could have run Alabama or Georgia’s schemes and still finished last. Harsin will succeed IF he can recruit at a high level. If not , he will be looking for a job in 3-4 years. Ed Orgeron and Les Miles both won National Championships as head coaches. I promise you that their coaching acumen or ability had very little to do with it.


Quit using logic in this thread.

Everything you said is correct but it is not welcome because we want to talk about our feelings about things here.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22741 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 4:46 pm to
quote:


Holy shite did the cord get wrapped around your neck too? The fricking retard OP is a MISSOURI FAN who has started multiple threads about Bryan Harsin…for some unknown reason.
The point is that Missouri fans are really the one fanbase (aside from maybe Tennessee and USC fans ) who should not be taking shots at our head coaching hire.


I'm well aware that it's been laid out why he's likely a bad hire.

Naming who hired who is a shitty response to it.

Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17317 posts
Posted on 7/9/21 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

Harsin is a bad HC because of his actual HC record.
TIL winning 70% of your games is bad
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 5:33 pm
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