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re: Why are basketball road games SO much harder to win than other sports?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:40 pm to Rebellious
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:40 pm to Rebellious
I saw Wichita State get call after call last night at Indiana State, so whoever says the refs it depends on the visiting team and conference.
Smaller conferences like to protect their big name teams(like Gonzaga) because they'd rather have one powerhouse team that gets all the national attention than 2 or 3 above average teams and multiple NCAA tournament bids.
More media attention comes to the single powerhouse team. Butler when they were in the Horizon got EVERY call and were always protected by the Horizon League refs.
Smaller conferences like to protect their big name teams(like Gonzaga) because they'd rather have one powerhouse team that gets all the national attention than 2 or 3 above average teams and multiple NCAA tournament bids.
More media attention comes to the single powerhouse team. Butler when they were in the Horizon got EVERY call and were always protected by the Horizon League refs.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:42 pm to WDE24
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It would be interesting if someone collected the data and did a report for cbb and broke it down by conference as well.
Surely the NCAA looks at this stuff.
You would have to do it on a team by team basis home vs away.
Most will say its the style of play that causes the discrepancy.
Its hard to argue when you watch a game and see the home team go into a scoring drought while the visiting team is scoring then have the home team all the sudden start to make trips to the line.
JMO.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:42 pm to DaleDenton
quote:Is it? Unless it was within an hours driving distance, we always traveled the day before, practiced at the facility and then had another shoot around on gameday.
In basketball its common for teams to leave campus the same day as the game, arrive a few hours before, have a short practice/shoot around and play the game.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:43 pm to DaleDenton
quote:You could do a large enough sample size to statistically show a strong correlation between home court and officiating (assuming the hypothesis is true) regardless of the reasons for any one particular game.
Most will say its the style of play that causes the discrepancy.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:44 pm to WDE24
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Is it? Unless it was within an hours driving distance, we always traveled the day before, practiced at the facility and then had another shoot around on gameday.
Teams usually arrive late the night before, from my understanding. I believe Arkansas traveled to UGA Saturday morning as they didn't get there in time for a shoot around according to the announcers. Several teams arrived the same day in our non-con schedule.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:45 pm to DaleDenton
Well, we traveled by bus, so we didn't have the luxury of waiting until game day. 
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:47 pm to DaleDenton
LINK
Quick google search brought this up.
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Among the key findings, which were published The Journal of Sports Sciences earlier this year:
• The probability of a foul being called on the visiting team was 7 percent higher than on the home team.
• When the home team is leading, the probability of the next foul being called on them was about 6.3 percentage points higher than when the home team was trailing. The professors also cited an earlier study that concluded there were more calls against teams ahead in games on national TV versus those ahead in locally televised games. Calling fouls against the leading team tends to keep games closer, the studies said.
• The bigger the difference in fouls between the two teams playing, the more likely it was that the next call would come against the team with fewer fouls. When the home team had five or more fouls than the visiting team, there was a 69 percent chance the visiting team would be whistled for the next foul.
Quick google search brought this up.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:47 pm to WDE24
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You could a large enough sample to statistically show a strong correlation between home court and officiating (assuming the hypothesis is true) regardless of the reasons for any one particular game.
You could, I don't feel like compiling the data.
From the eye test, when Wisconsin was #3 and undefeated fouls were fouls at Indiana, at Wisconsin, and at Iowa (IIRC), the games were basically called the same, I'm going to assume it was three different crews reffing the game.
Watching the SEC, fouls depends on who the crew is and who is in the game, the top SEC teams do not suffer the disparity in foul calls and FT attempts given up the the home teams as the bottom teams have.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:49 pm to Sev09
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What is it about basketball that makes it so hard for visiting teams?
unfamiliar backgrounds make shooting more difficult... proximity of fans affects the players.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:51 pm to pvilleguru
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Different type of wood can mess you up while dribbling, passing
"Wood" can definitely get a guy into trouble--in all kinds of ways.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:51 pm to Sev09
Vandy is 2-2 on the road this year. We only lost to Alabama on the road by 5. LSU represents the only substantial road loss. Why we couldn't handle them is beyond me? So there!
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:54 pm to Sev09
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Why are basketball road games SO much harder to win than other sports?
This seems true to me too, but is it? Do you know the differences in home winning percentages for football, basketball, baseball?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:55 pm to Sev09
Referee home cooking.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:00 pm to elposter
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Do you know the differences in home winning percentages for football, basketball, baseball?
I'd love to find info on this.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:00 pm to oauron
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I believe there are more subjective calls in basketball than the other two sports that can lead the home team being at an advantage.
I think this is the biggest factor. I think crowd reaction influences close calls more than we'd like to believe.
That and most basketball arenas have seating hugging the edges of the court, I'm sure it's harder to focus with the crowd right on top of you.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:03 pm to BreakawayZou83
Basketball is the only one of three that keeps count of a refs "work" on the scoreboard (ball/strike count not included). Every time an official looks up at the score board in basketball he sees the foul count for each team that half.
Do you think if they kept count of how many holding calls each team had, the amount would be close to the same for each team in football?
Do you think if they kept count of how many holding calls each team had, the amount would be close to the same for each team in football?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:07 pm to kilo
1. Sight lines at opposing gyms are different then what you are used to.
2. Crowd is right on top of you in basketball
3. Basketball is a sport that lives off of momentum. If the home team goes on a run it, the crowd gets involved, and trying to come back gets a hell of a lot harder
4. A lot of basketball officiating is subjective and they usually let the home crowd effect them a bit.
5. Great basketball players don't stay in school more than 2 years, so you have a lot of guys who lack experience playing on the road
2. Crowd is right on top of you in basketball
3. Basketball is a sport that lives off of momentum. If the home team goes on a run it, the crowd gets involved, and trying to come back gets a hell of a lot harder
4. A lot of basketball officiating is subjective and they usually let the home crowd effect them a bit.
5. Great basketball players don't stay in school more than 2 years, so you have a lot of guys who lack experience playing on the road
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:19 pm to DaleDenton
Interesting point on football holding calls....didn't bama recently go an entire YEAR w/o a holding call ? HOW is that even remotely possible ?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:52 pm to Sev09
SEC basketball teams aren't any good and thus even the teams that seem superior to their opponent can't overcome the natural difficulties of playing on the road.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 3:53 pm to Sev09
calls go to the home team more often
different depths of stadiums/stands requires adjusting your shot in some cases
different depths of stadiums/stands requires adjusting your shot in some cases
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