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re: Who is in worse shape as far as moving forward - UF, Auburn or LSU?
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:30 pm to Gator Fever
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:30 pm to Gator Fever
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Moving forward and contending for a Championship?
Kelly at least has won some games and shown he could compete years ago but does he have a ceiling in the SEC? How long will he be at LSU?
Napier is definitely gone but can UF get the right coach to contend again?
Is Auburn stuck with Freeze next season?
Auburn is in the worst shape period. I don't think they can compete in the NIL era. People can say what they want about Alabama, but Auburn is really the team that has been surviving only by paying players, and that advantage is now gone.
Next up is a tough one. I think I'll put it on LSU as of today, simply because BK buyout is so extreme and they seem kind of stuck with him.
I think Napier is a good program builder and whoever takes over the Florida job will have a decent base to work with, although that's hard to judge in the portal era. They seem to have good culture and I didn't watch last night, but the games I've seen the players didn't seem to quit on him.
That combined with what has to be an easier schedule next year could set a coach up nicely. But I mean they could have a shite ton of transfers and they could hire someone like BK, so I reserve the right to change my mind.
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Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:32 pm to Gator Fever
All 3 of us are fooked for the near future regardless.
Whoever gets Kiffin is probably better off (if he decides to go try to fix a shitshow).
If I was him, I would stay right where he is.
Whoever gets Kiffin is probably better off (if he decides to go try to fix a shitshow).
If I was him, I would stay right where he is.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:33 pm to Gator Fever
Auburn is in worse shape. Then UF. LSU is the least bad shape
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:34 pm to Gator Fever
IDK, probably LSU. They’re kind of trapped with Brian Kelly for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:36 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Still not as talented as Auburn or LSU
LSU no, Auburn yes.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 4:39 pm to Gator Fever
The real answer is Texas.
We're stuck with a coach who is stubborn about his offense. And apparently was getting a divorce but is now having a keep a husband baby.
We're headed towards a Mack Brown ending.
We're stuck with a coach who is stubborn about his offense. And apparently was getting a divorce but is now having a keep a husband baby.
We're headed towards a Mack Brown ending.
This post was edited on 10/19/25 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 10/19/25 at 7:58 pm to captdalton
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No one has won consistently at Auburn.
Not true. While the history of Auburn for sure has high highs and low lows, most coaches have been consistently successful on the Plains.
Shug Jordan (25 seasons)- Auburn was 16th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Doug Barfield (5 seasons)- Auburn was 31st nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Pat Dye (12 seasons)- Auburn was 8th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Terry Bowden (6 seasons)- Auburn was 11th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Tommy Tuberville (10 seasons)- Auburn was 16th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Gene Chizik (4 seasons)- Auburn was 30th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Gus Malzahn (8 seasons)- Auburn was 9th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
Every single coach from 1951-2020 has averaged being a Top 16 program nationally measured by weekly inclusion in the AP Poll except for two… and one of those who didn’t won a national championship.
From 1951-2020 as a whole, Auburn ranked 12th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP Poll…. Ahead of Georgia, Tennessee, Florida State and Miami during that time period.
There is no basis to say “no one has won consistently at Auburn,” when for a 70-season period Auburn was the 12th most often ranked program in America. That’s just not possible for a program to achieve if no one had ever been able to win consistently there.
Our struggles from 2021-present are the major anomaly here. Our recent struggles are legitimately the lowest our program has been since just after WW2. To pretend it is close to normal cannot be backed up with facts.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 7:59 pm to Gator Fever
I fear it’s us.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 8:12 pm to Gator Fever
Auburn is in the worst shape. No one should be thinking of them as a championship contender with who they have to play and who they are.
Out of LSU and Florida , Lsu will have the easier conference schedule going forward so based on the wording of your question, Florida will have the toughest championship road.
Out of LSU and Florida , Lsu will have the easier conference schedule going forward so based on the wording of your question, Florida will have the toughest championship road.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 8:23 pm to Gator Fever
I am least worried about Auburn. They ended the summer with about 5 new national titles. Things are looking up.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 8:25 pm to AUTiger789
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Shug Jordan (25 seasons)- Auburn was 16th nationally in weeks ranked in the AP poll during his tenure.
And yet he finished .500 or below in 6 of those 25 seasons. He was usually either really good… or really bad. The exact opposite of consistent.
Your whole post makes my case for me. Auburn has not won consistently, year in and year out. Despite all those stats you threw out about weeks being ranked, over the last 50 seasons Auburn has not had a winning record in 20 out of 50 seaoms. Auburn has only had a winning record 60% of the time. That is not winning consistently.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 11:45 pm to carguymatt
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Auburn is in the worst shape. No one should be thinking of them as a championship contender with who they have to play and who they are.
Who they are?
We’ve won two SEC Titles, won a national title, and played for a second national title all in the time since Florida even had a Top 5 finish.
Auburn leads the all-time series against Florida 43-39-2.
90% of Florida’s success can be summed up in a two decade period from 1990-2009.
Auburn has had some deep struggles lately, sure. But Auburn has proven throughout our history to bounce back. We had huge success as a program on the national stage in the 1910s and 1920s… again in the 1950s. Again in the 1980s. And again in the early 2010s. And all between those periods of greatness were additional SEC Titles and/or Top 5 finishes (1963, 1972, 1993, 2004, etc).
Florida isn’t going back to the flash-in-the-pan success they enjoyed for a mere 20 seasons. They’ll always be formidable, but history shows rhey aren’t a top program.
Posted on 10/19/25 at 11:51 pm to Gator Fever
Freeze will fly high soon
Posted on 10/19/25 at 11:58 pm to captdalton
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And yet he finished .500 or below in 6 of those 25 seasons.
This is stupid. Two of those were his first two seasons, when he was rebuilding the program. One was his last season, when he was aging and ready for retirement.
In between were 22 seasons in which Shug Jordan and Auburn enjoyed the 9th best winning percentage in America… 2nd best in the SEC… even ahead of Alabama despite Bear Bryant being at Bama for 17 of those 22 seasons.
I’m not sure why you are trying to rewrite history. From 1953-1974, Auburn had one losing season. One. Trying to pretend that it was a constant struggle-fest is simply not the truth.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 12:17 am to AUTiger789
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Florida.
They’ve only had two coaches in their history find major success. One was a generational type of coach whose offensive style revolutionized the game… so it took opponents a very long time to catch on.
Most of Florida’s history is mediocrity.
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Florida isn’t going back to the flash-in-the-pan success they enjoyed for a mere 20 seasons. They’ll always be formidable, but history shows rhey aren’t a top program.
From 1950-2023 UF is top 10 in wins in CFB (74 years).
Which is 3rd among the original SEC programs.
More wins and higher win pct than AU.
Pretty good for a mediocre program that has only had 2 successful coaches.
How far back in history do we need to go? 1900?
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Auburn leads the all-time series against Florida 43-39-2.
The 3 Florida schools didnt really get going until the 80s.
This has been said on here for years.
Still, since 1960 AU has a losing record vs UF.
Congrats to AU for going 7-0 vs UF from 1904-1916..
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 1:24 am
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:12 am to Dawgs2122
To young
Posted on 10/20/25 at 1:16 am to Go Go Gata
Yes it has and for a very easy reason for most to understand. Florida is very hot and humid(water on 3 sides of the State)..when AC got cheap enough for most to have it Florida gained population. It is very, very hot here some days. The feels like can get over 100 easily. AC is an absolute must living here especially in the summer. That is why the population rose greatly in Florida after.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 1:22 am
Posted on 10/20/25 at 7:23 am to Basura Blanco
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Assuming they can indeed hire Lane and assuming they can leave him alone and give him the resources to win and not freak out when he does Lane shite like losing 1-2 games a season for no reason and fricking over his defense by forgetting he has a punter or FG kicker.
Kiffin does consider himself the smartest person in the room and will make stupid play calls several times a season just to prove how smart and unconvertional he is (eg making sims throw to the endzone vs the suckeyes late in the playoff game, when derrick friggin henry was getting 20 yards a pop). Has he matured? Doesn’t seem like it.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 7:37 am to 3down10
quote:i really dont think NIL will be an issue, AU’s problem in recent years has been twofold: piss poor talent evaluation and substandard player development
Auburn is in the worst shape period. I don't think they can compete in the NIL era. People can say what they want about Alabama, but Auburn is really the team that has been surviving only by paying players, and that advantage is now gone.
couple those with apparent lack of adjustment, primarily on offense, and you see the results going back to the last few years of the Gustav era
since i’ve come to value your opinion on here, who are some potential HCs (among the realistic possibilities*) that you think would be capable of turning AU around?
(* this would automatically exclude Kiffin/Lanning/Cignetti/Saban coming out of retirement etc)
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 7:39 am
Posted on 10/20/25 at 7:44 am to Gator Fever
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worse shape as far as moving forward
Think it might be LSU even though they are clearly the best on the field right now.
You can't really move off Kelly because of the cost. He has a great defense and what should be at least a good offense with a very experienced QB and they aren't winning like they should. This was supposed to be
The program seems to be in gradual decline with no off ramp.
Baker will get looks as a HC possibly this year. What established OC is going to want to move to Baton Rouge to hitch his wagon to Kelly?
Kelly takes basically no accountability when they lose and wasn't a culture fit from the beginning.
After LSU I think its Auburn. Several of UF's young core players are at UF because they want to be there. Legacy guys, guys who want to be close to family. I think there is a good chance they retain some decent pieces. Auburn is probably going to lose some guys to the draft and probably have some other young pieces transfer as well no matter who they get. Auburn gets Georgia and Bama every year whereas Florida will probably have their best schedule draw they've had in a while going forward.
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