Who does Auburn think they are? 8-4 isn't good enough?

8-4 isn't the issue. It's the record vs. Alabama, UGA and LSU that's the problem.

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Maybe they could convince Chizik to come back and demote Gus to OC. That seemed to be the winning combo.

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God damn it stop it. Don’t give them any ideas.

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If Richt doesn't get credit for 2012 SECCG vs. Bama. Then this shite surely isn't gonna fly.

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You lost the SEC Championship. Gus lost the NC... the year after firing Chizik.

The talent is there for the right coach.

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Gus lost the NC... the year after firing Chizik.

The talent is there for the right coach.

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This is my point. Everything lined up perfectly that season. Every once in a while, that can happen. For Auburn, normal years are 7, 8, 9 wins. Auburn shouldn't fire a guy for 7, 8, 9 wins. Auburn should fire a guy for consistently winning 6 games or less.

Ok but Auburn’s is the same! Don’t try and act like LSU has been winning 10 and 11 games every year.

2-5 vs. LSU, 2-5 vs UGA Regular Season, 2-4 vs Alabama

6-14 against our three biggest rivals.

Time for a change..

UGA fired a 10 win coach, Kirby brought new life. LSU fired a NC coach mid-season, Coach O brought new life. We will see what Coach Kevin Steele can do.

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Two, LSU's consistent winning floor is around 10, not 7-9.

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LSU's historic record: 807-415-47
LSU's historic winning percentage: .65445
LSU's historic average regular season wins: 12 * .65445 = 7.9

You fired a HC who was winning more than 2 games over your historical average

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Look what happened to Tennessee. 8, 9 wins wasn't good enough, so they make a change and have been a 6-6 program ever since, at best

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In all fairness, Tennessee as a state doesn’t produce anything close to the type recruits that Alabama does and they have to rely greatly on out of state prospects. It is unfair to compare the two situations.

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The Good Ship Sumlin was steering towards the rocks. We all knew it. Jimbo and his contract was a crazy response though.

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I like busting aTm chops as much as the next guy. Ok, more, I’m an a-hole.

But seriously, Sumlin was clueless. Jimbo is better. But Jimbo has a problem in the SEC West. Actually 2 and 3/4 problems. Problem 1, they are 1 in 8 to Nick and Alabama. Problem 2, they are soon to be 1 in 9 to LSU. Problem 1/2, Auburn. Problem 1/4, the occasional Georgia and Florida East matchups. Throw in a potential loss to their annual non conference P5 match up, and there’s potential for 3-5 losses per season.

They will probably go 7-5 (4-4) this year, and that makes recruiting from heavily divided Texas talent tough. Jimbo is an improvement from Sumlin. But he is not enough of a recruiter to shut out Texas, Oklahoma, and LSU from Texas talent, and he will lose enough to the other Texas schools, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and high powered poachers like Alabama to be a significant problem.

LSU had a similar problem of not locking down Louisiana talent until Satan came here. Jimbo is not in Nick’s league, and fortunately for LSU he holds O’s hat too.

Auburn has a similar problem. They live in a talent target rich environment, but it’s fractured, and Bama is dominant. They will always be potential contenders, but can only be consistent champions when Bama is in a low cycle. Bama will not be in a low cycle while Satan is there.

I think both AU and aTm would be making mistakes changing horses at this time.

Yes, aTm paid too much for Jimbo. After peaking in 2013, he created a highly flammable dumpster in Tallahassee, and LSU really struck the match when they screwed him (and themselves) when they reneged on his hire. He had to jump. His best coaching option was LSU, but he was rightfully butt-hurt. He combined LSU’s renewed interest with their $6.8 million offer the previous year to get aTm to make a ridiculous offer. TAMU could have gotten him for 6 + or -. He was making 5.5 at FSU and had to leave the mess he was in. Even if aTm thought that he was seriously considering LSU, who had previously screwed him, and was targeting Herman, who signed for 5 at Texas, 6.8 was the high end going rate.