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re: Who are the 3rd and 4th best SEC backs of all time?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:27 pm to RB10
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:27 pm to RB10
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This same logic is going to be used for Fournette compared to all those backs with 4 years, correct?
Bo played 4 years. You're thinking of Herschel Walker who only played 3.
Still, Bo played in more games than Faulk, and had less yards.
Hell, Faulk even had a passing TD.
46 rushing TDs
4 receiving TDs
2 punt return TDs
1 kick return TD
1 passing TD
54 total TDs in 41 games.
Bo had 43 rushing TDs and 2 receiving TDs for a total of 45 TDs in 45 games.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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How many games a year did Bo play? Hows many did Faulk? I'll wait for your answer.
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Bo played in 45 games for Auburn, while Kevin Faulk played only 41 games for LSU.
Well, that's gotta burn =)
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:30 pm to BowlJackson
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There hasn't been a legitimate discussion of the greatest athlete of all time in the last 30 years that doesn't bring Bo up as an argument for #1.
Only because you Auburn fans never shut up.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:32 pm to BowlJackson
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Remember how LSU fans said Leonard fournette was going to
break herschels record, but now he isn't even in the top 10?
Yay for injuries, right?
You're pathetic.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Bo played in 45 games for Auburn, while Kevin Faulk played only 41 games for LSU.
So what was that about how Bo couldn't carry the load?
Faulk averaged 3 more carries per game. Bo also played in a wishbone surrounded by other NFL caliber backs. I'm assuming Faulk played in an I-formation. Faulk was in an offense that should have singled him out as a workhorse. And that was at a time when LSU sucked arse, y'all couldn't have had too many weapons. So why couldn't he get more than 20 carries a game? Was he too much of a pussy to carry the load?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Bo played 4 years. You're thinking of Herschel Walker who only played 3.
No, I'm not. I'm talking about the "games played" comment in regards to Fournette. He's 5 yards shy of a tie for 10th and has only played in 32 games.
7 of the top 10 have played in 40+.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:38 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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This same logic is going to be used for Fournette compared to all those backs with 4 years, correct?
Just for fun: LF7 only played 32 games while Bo played in 45.
Bo's totals for 45 games are: 4303 yds/43 tds
LF7's projected for 45 games: 5386 yds/56 tds
(LF averaged 119.69 ypg, 1.25 tds per game x 13 extra games)
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:40 pm to BowlJackson
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I'm assuming Faulk played in an I-formation. Faulk was in an offense that should have singled him out as a workhorse. And that was at a time when LSU sucked arse, y'all couldn't have had too many weapons. So why couldn't he get more than 20 carries a game? Was he too much of a pussy to carry the load?
LSU was 10-2 in Faulk's sophomore season and 9-3 his Junior season. They didn't "suck arse" until his senior season. They had a lot of weapons on both sides of the ball. They had AWFUL coaching on the defensive side of the ball his senior season. But that team was loaded with guys that had very good NFL careers. He didn't get more than 20 carries because Rondell Mealy, another NFL back, was also on the team and a guy named Cecil Collins for half the 1997 season who was pretty good. Herb Tyler also ran a fair amount of triple option plays at QB.
You must be young or just ignorant
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:44 pm to TheSandman
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Emmitt Smith
0-3 against Auburn
Bo Jackson 1-3 vs Fla. What's your point? I didn't say anything about wins and losses. Emmitt played on 3 shitty teams at UF with no passing game and no other good RBs to spell him or even decoy for him a little.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:46 pm to BowlJackson
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Bo also played in a wishbone surrounded by other NFL caliber backs. I'm assuming Faulk played in an I-formation. Faulk was in an offense that should have singled him out as a workhorse.
arse/u/me. You know about that word, right? So you know, Kevin Faulk was in a backfield that shared carries with 2 other future NFL backs, Cecil Collins and Rondell Mealey.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:47 pm to BowlJackson
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So what was that about how Bo couldn't carry the load?
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Faulk averaged 3 more carries per game.
As well as 1.3 REC/game, 1.5 PR/game, 0.8 KOR/game, 0.07 passes per game.
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Faulk was in an offense that should have singled him out as a workhorse
As in, everyone knew he was getting the ball, and he still got more yards than Bo? Yep.
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And that was at a time when LSU sucked arse
LSU was 30-16-1 when Faulk was there (ETA: BTW, Auburn was 29-19 during that same period. Who was sucking arse?).
Auburn was 37-12 when Bo was there.
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y'all couldn't have had too many weapons
Pretty much, everyone was keying on Kevin.
...and he STILL got more yards than Bo.
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Was he too much of a pussy to carry the load?
25 plays per game compared to Bo's 15?
You tell me. Dude was running the ball, catching the ball, throwing the ball, returning kicks AND punts. Talk about knowing football...
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:47 pm to Dore5674
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Ralph Webb has 3236 career yards with the bowl game coming
that's another thing that gets overlooked when talking about herschel (and bo and others) is they have 3 years worth of bowl stats that didn't count. I think they didn't start counting until like 2002.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:55 pm to WG_Dawg
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that's another thing that gets overlooked when talking about herschel (and bo and others) is they have 3 years worth of bowl stats that didn't count. I think they didn't start counting until like 2002.
correct. Josh Reed's single season SEC mark in 2001 was set in 12 games with 1740 yards on 94 receptions (SEC Title game included). With the bowl game, he'd have had 108 receptions for 1979 yards. For reference, in 14 games in 2014, Amari Cooper had 124 receptions for 1727 yards. I was very happy Cooper didn't get that 15th game to break Reed's record. His record may end up being broken, but I have a feeling his 152 yards per game will never be broken. Pretty amazing that he set, at the time, the career record for receiving yards with only two years playing WR (played his freshman season in 1999 as a RB).
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:57 pm to lsufball19
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I have a feeling his 152 yards per game will never be broken
Yeah, and props to Alabama there.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:03 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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Who are the 3rd and 4th best SEC backs of all time?
by HogFanfromHTownHershel, Bo, McFadden, and Emmit.
I am good with that. would be my 4 and the order looks right to me.
I like em all
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:05 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Yeah, because the WAC is equal competition to the SEC.
Never mind, I'm an idiot. Assumed Faulk = Marshall. But Kevin?!?! Are you freaking kidding me?
Never mind, I'm an idiot. Assumed Faulk = Marshall. But Kevin?!?! Are you freaking kidding me?
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
With all due respect to Kevin Faulk, who and who was a great college and pro RB and who I truly enjoyed watching when he played, Bo and Herschel were on another level. I'm 46, so I have vivid memories of actually watching both of them play, on TV and in person. To this day, I've not seen anyone since who could do what those two guys did, although there have been some great SEC RBs since (Faulk included, and Shawn Alexander from Bama, Emmitt, McFadden, and many others).
In all honesty, I don't think I've never spoken to even an LSU fan from my generation who have made this kind of argument. Maybe you should present your argument to your LSU brethren to see if you can get any of them to agree with you--I think you will have a hard time, especially with the older guys. It is hard to describe to the younger generation, but you really did have to see Bo and Herschel play to understand why so many of us old timers from all SEC teams rank them so high.
I'm still waiting to see the guy that will rise to that level. I was actually kind of thinking last year that Leonard Fornette was it, but he just had too many injuries. Not sure any of us SEC fans will see an RB of the Bo/Herschel level, but there is always hope!
That said, I would say that the number 3 best RB in the SEC was probably McFadden, and I would put Emmitt as 4.
In all honesty, I don't think I've never spoken to even an LSU fan from my generation who have made this kind of argument. Maybe you should present your argument to your LSU brethren to see if you can get any of them to agree with you--I think you will have a hard time, especially with the older guys. It is hard to describe to the younger generation, but you really did have to see Bo and Herschel play to understand why so many of us old timers from all SEC teams rank them so high.
I'm still waiting to see the guy that will rise to that level. I was actually kind of thinking last year that Leonard Fornette was it, but he just had too many injuries. Not sure any of us SEC fans will see an RB of the Bo/Herschel level, but there is always hope!
That said, I would say that the number 3 best RB in the SEC was probably McFadden, and I would put Emmitt as 4.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:07 pm to lsufball19
I don't understand why some entry level interns with the NCAA can't devote a year to updating all stats. It just blows my mind that when comparing stats between players, which we do as a sports society all the time, you have 14 years worth of players that are "all square" and 110 years worth of players that are missing potentially up to 4 games worth of stats.
Selfishly I just wish they'd do it so Herschel's lead would grow even larger.
Selfishly I just wish they'd do it so Herschel's lead would grow even larger.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:09 pm to ACL11190
quote:A clear #3. I'd have Faulk as #4.
McFadden is 3rd, right
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:09 pm to BowlJackson
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Remember how LSU fans said Leonard fournette was going to break herschels record, but now he isn't even in the top 10?
Played injured all year this year
did not get a ton of playing time freshman year.
LSU has had two games canceled the last two years.
LF missed 4 games this year with injured ankle. Was hobbled most of the year.
No excuse, he is not in the top 10 for a reason, not lack of talent.
If I had to pick a back from the top ten I honestly could not say I would take LF over Walker, Jackson, McFadden or Smith. But he is in their class no doubt.
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