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re: When is the last time Saban made a mistake
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:23 am to SavageOrangeJug
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:23 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Demanding that one second be put back on the clock so he can kick a field goal.
This. I wcouod understand if it would have resulted in a makeable field goal. But he knew we didn't have anyone on the roster who could kick a 57 harder.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:24 am to Beessnax
When he wore this
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:28 am to MrMojoRisin
I don't think asking for one second to be put back on the clock was a bad idea. He said he'd seen Griffith make from that distance in practice. I assume he thought the worst that might happen was Griffith misses but the ball still goes out the back of the end zone and we head to OT.
I think the Kiffin fiasco in the playoffs is the correct answer to the OP.
I think the Kiffin fiasco in the playoffs is the correct answer to the OP.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:33 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I don't think asking for one second to be put back on the clock was a bad idea. He said he'd seen Griffith make from that distance in practice. I assume he thought the worst that might happen was Griffith misses but the ball still goes out the back of the end zone and we head to OT.
Except that he fricking saw Malzahn or one of his coaches call timeout just to put a returner back there for the 57 yard FG...Are you dense?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:33 am to Vecchio Cane
Not sure if it's him or the coordinators but we have failed to lean on our run game as much as I'd like. We will start games vs teams running the ball for 5/6 yards a pop. Even to the untrained eye it's obvious we are superior and could do this all day crushing their spirits... and then we run some bullshite and let them back in the game
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:40 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I assume he thought the worst that might happen was Griffith misses but the ball still goes out the back of the end zone and we head to OT.
That was Saban's second mistake on that same play. When Gus Malzahn called the timeout and put his fast team on the field to set up the chance for a return. Saban did not react in kind. He left all his fat guys on the field. Once the return man hits the edge you have a bunch of Freightliners trying to chase down a Corvette
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:43 am to Beessnax
Firing Kiffin prior to the National Championship game. Hurts looked awful in that game.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:46 am to jangalang
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Except that he fricking saw Malzahn or one of his coaches call timeout just to put a returner back there for the 57 yard FG...Are you dense?
Considering such a play had never happened in that situation before in the 140+ year history of college football, what else was he supposed to do except try to win the game on a last second field goal?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:46 am to Beessnax
I think he and Kiffin made a mistake last year not giving Blake Barnett significant playing time. I am pretty sure he'd have been the starting qb by the end of the year and UA would have won that last game. UA had only 2 offensive series of more than 5 plays in that game. The defense forced 2 turnovers on Clemson's side of the field and we managed 3 points for it. We had no respectable passing game. I think Barnett would have made the difference.
edit: Letting Kiffin go a week before the title game was also a dumb idea imo. It was Kiffin's play calling for Hurts that made up for the lack of a real passing game.
edit: Letting Kiffin go a week before the title game was also a dumb idea imo. It was Kiffin's play calling for Hurts that made up for the lack of a real passing game.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 7:49 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:50 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I think he and Kiffin made a mistake last year not giving Blake Barnett significant playing time.
It's really difficult to come to that conclusion when you consider that Jalen Hurts, an eighteen-year-old true freshman, did the following last season for Alabama:
- #2 in all-purpose yardage, individual (season)
- #1 in total touchdowns, individual (season)
- #1 in rushing yards, QB (season)
- Consensus 1st Team All-SEC
- SEC Freshman of the Year
- SEC Offensive Player of the Year
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 7:51 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:54 am to RollTide1987
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Considering such a play had never happened in that situation before in the 140+ year history of college football
Who cares if the play hasn't happened before? That play is actually pretty common in the NFL as all the legs are stronger and Saban should have been aware of the consequences.
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what else was he supposed to do except try to win the game on a last second field goal?
Not kick a 57 yard FG with your fatties on the field while there is a returner hanging out in the endzone.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:55 am to RollTide1987
I am not interested in individual stats as much as team success, and Hurts was a liability in the last 3 games of the season. I said since the middle of last season that there will come a time that Hurts will have to win games with his arm. He failed in the biggest game of the year.
The SEC offensive player of the year was b.s. He wasn't even the best qb in the league. He was, though, the most prolific offensive player on the very best team in the conference. We have great running backs. We need a quarterback that can complete passes beyond the line of scrimmage. Maybe he's improved enough. If not, then hopefully Saban will give Tua more of a chance than he gave Barnett.
edit: That aside, this subject has been beaten to death and it's pointless to keep arguing about it. It's a new season. Hurts will be much better passing the ball or not, and if not, I suspect Tua will be the qb.
I answered the original question with my own personal opinion. That's it.
The SEC offensive player of the year was b.s. He wasn't even the best qb in the league. He was, though, the most prolific offensive player on the very best team in the conference. We have great running backs. We need a quarterback that can complete passes beyond the line of scrimmage. Maybe he's improved enough. If not, then hopefully Saban will give Tua more of a chance than he gave Barnett.
edit: That aside, this subject has been beaten to death and it's pointless to keep arguing about it. It's a new season. Hurts will be much better passing the ball or not, and if not, I suspect Tua will be the qb.
I answered the original question with my own personal opinion. That's it.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:05 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Saban makes plenty of mistakes. He is a human being.
The difference is Saban's consistency in creating a system and organization that is so stable and well constructed that there is limited opportunity for crushing mistakes to be made. The opportunity to make mistakes is limited. Risk isn't necessary, and he is very good at knowing how to assess what risks are good risks and what risks and wild risks with high likelihood of blow up in your face failure. Probably better at that than anybody in college football.
But he's taken some bad risks over the years (and some good ones)
Bad
- Kick 6 decision
- Continuing to kick field goals between the 30 and 40 in years when our kickers chance of making them was clearly lower than the chance of getting the 1st down was (he does this because he badly wants the kickers to make kicks and build confidence)
- you could argue firing Kiffin, but I don't think there was a "good" outcome there. His gameplan against Washington was shite and his gameplan against Clemson would have been too.
- The Jonathan Taylor decision (made because of his insistence on giving kids 4th, 5th chances; risk was insanely high and unnecessary, both to his and the programs reputation as well as the community at large)
I think the Jonathan Taylor decision was the worst of his Alabama career. I don't even really think there is a close 2nd.
The difference is Saban's consistency in creating a system and organization that is so stable and well constructed that there is limited opportunity for crushing mistakes to be made. The opportunity to make mistakes is limited. Risk isn't necessary, and he is very good at knowing how to assess what risks are good risks and what risks and wild risks with high likelihood of blow up in your face failure. Probably better at that than anybody in college football.
But he's taken some bad risks over the years (and some good ones)
Bad
- Kick 6 decision
- Continuing to kick field goals between the 30 and 40 in years when our kickers chance of making them was clearly lower than the chance of getting the 1st down was (he does this because he badly wants the kickers to make kicks and build confidence)
- you could argue firing Kiffin, but I don't think there was a "good" outcome there. His gameplan against Washington was shite and his gameplan against Clemson would have been too.
- The Jonathan Taylor decision (made because of his insistence on giving kids 4th, 5th chances; risk was insanely high and unnecessary, both to his and the programs reputation as well as the community at large)
I think the Jonathan Taylor decision was the worst of his Alabama career. I don't even really think there is a close 2nd.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:18 am to jangalang
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Who cares if the play hasn't happened before?
I do. For one. And Saban probably did for another.
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Not kick a 57 yard FG with your fatties on the field while there is a returner hanging out in the endzone.
If we had had smaller people on the field and the kick was blocked and returned for a TD, people would be bitching about Saban not having his fatties on the field.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:23 am to RollTide1987
Offering Adam Griffith instead of Daniel Carlson
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:26 am to Beessnax
quote:Damn, did you wake up with Saban on your mind?
Beessnax
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:29 am to Beessnax
Kicker scouting. Always.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:34 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I am pretty sure he'd have been the starting qb by the end of the year and UA would have won that last game.
So you think Barnett would have done better than Hurts with that pass rush in his lap the whole game? Interesting.
By all accounts, the dude was a turnover machine in scrimmages, and never did anything of note in significant game time.
Quite a stretch to assume he that he would have been the X factor in a game against a defense that was playing as good or better than any team in the country.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:36 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Was Taylor ever charged for the Georgia incident? Seem like I remember that case dragging out way too long.
Was kicked off the team because another girl accused him of hitting her. She later recanted - after he had already been kicked out. Kinda fricked up, IMO.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:42 am to RollTide1987
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If we had had smaller people on the field and the kick was blocked and returned for a TD, people would be bitching about Saban not having his fatties on the field.
Nobody is advocating putting smaller people on the FG team. People are pointing out the folly in putting the FG team out there on an extremely long FG while a returner is back there. (which consists of a lot of big heavies)
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I do. For one. And Saban probably did for another.
Well, the kick six, ladies and gentlemen.
Just admit it, you're just a homer.
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