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re: When Does Florida Fire Sun Belt Billy & Offer Lane Train The Job?

Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:51 am to
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13234 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:51 am to
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Lol he had the #1 portal class at OM…how can you do better than #1?


Well you cut his quote short

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I think he'd do better with HS recruiting AND portal guys at UF


But more importantly, just evaluating the ranking is not a very good way to compare relative classes. Let's say you had the #1 portal ranking this year but next year you get every Heisman candidate to transfer.

On paper these are equal portal classes but in reality clearly not.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
19915 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:59 am to
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He can do anything and everything he wants at Ole Miss


That really depends on what he wants. Winning a couple games and banging college girls without repercussions I can see. Having a competitive program more years than not would be a no.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 9:08 am to
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That really depends on what he wants. Winning a couple games and banging college girls without repercussions I can see. Having a competitive program more years than not would be a no.


He has been to 2 access bowls and by every betting service is a favorite to make the playoffs this year. What does this mean? Top 11 is extremely feasible at Ole Miss.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
17053 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 9:14 am to
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Who’s theory? FL NIL seems like the poster-child for dysfunction

I agree they’ve been dysfunctional under Mullen and Napier.

But even with their dysfunction they’re on par with OM for NIL and have the donor base to compete for NIL deals with other elite schools if they get aligned.

I’m not taking a shot at OM here, I love visiting for games and hate that Bama-OM is done as a yearly game, but Florida is a school with significant inherent and objective advantages when it comes to football.

Recruiting base? UF >>> OM
Program Success? UF >>> OM
Alumni wealth? UF >>> OM

Lane is holding on by his fingernails using the transfer portal and superior QB identification/development because he either can’t compete or won’t put in the work to close guys on national signing day.

Even with Napier a lame duck and the NIL dysfunction we just talked about UF finished top 10 in recruiting while OM was 20th coming off a great season with an established coach and a NY6 bowl win.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
6090 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 9:42 am to
Actually I do know smart guy. Florida played in the Tangerine, Aloha, and Blubonnnet bowls to name a few in the 80s. Not exactly an eye catching group of bowls. In that same decade, UGA played in 3 straight Sugars, LSU 2, Auburn and Tennessee rounded it out, with a few themselves. The Gators had a solid roster, but did it translate into getting to New Orleans on Jan 1? No it did not. Playing in the Sugar was the gold standard for the SEC in those days. The Gators cheated, and still couldn't make it there. So i am old enough to remember that. Spurrier completely changed the culture of that program. Oh, BTW, you can really thank Bill Arnsparger for leaving LSU and hiring him as head coach.
This post was edited on 8/17/24 at 10:03 am
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 9:52 am to
Why would you sign 30 high school kids and have to re- recruitment them for 3 years twice a year? Lane takes elite high school talent if he can. But he isn’t taking kids to fill a class. A 3 star HS kid or a 2 year player at Troy is a really easy choice. Some of you blue bloods still don’t grasp this new landscape. Lane finishes 2nd all the time for elite HS kids and has a great chance to get them when they enter the portal after their FR/So year. It is all planned.
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2587 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 11:03 am to
So since the consensus is that Lane isn’t an option, then who is? What level of coach are we talking about?

It’s not like there are a ton of younger coaches that are having success in a major way that aren’t already fairly locked up. Who is a “name” that matches, or even comes close, to Kiffin if he isn’t an option?

I view the job as a damned if so, damned if you don’t type of scenario. If they can Napier, and with the schedule they have you have to at least admit it is a possibility, then you have to at least start on the ground work to replace him. So what needs to happen then is an honest assessment of who can Florida actually get.

So since Lane is a “no” according to the Gator fans, who is a viable option? Give us your potential list of options.
Posted by Jim Sweet
Easley
Member since Oct 2018
1184 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 11:08 am to
ISteve Spurrier Jun. Ground work has already been lain.

Small salaries for him and top salary for assistants
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
17053 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 11:42 am to
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Why would you sign 30 high school kids and have to re- recruitment them for 3 years twice a year?

So that you can evaluate, develop them and play them?
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Lane takes elite high school talent if he can.

Absolutely. And would love to sign more just like they do at UGA, Bama and all of the other elite tier SEC schools.
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A 3 star HS kid or a 2 year player at Troy is a really easy choice. Some of you blue bloods still don’t grasp this new landscape.

Absolutely. Supplementing your base roster with key veteran transfers makes a ton of sense.

Bama supplemented huge gaps the last four years Saban was there:

Jameson Williams
Jahmyr Gibbs
Tyler Steen
Jermaine Burton

All of those guys helped Bama win SECCGs they wouldn’t have without them.

But in order to have an ultra elite roster and competent depth, it’s not at all clear you can do that by using the portal to build your base roster rather than just filling gaps.

Kiffin isn’t choosing to let these elite guys go to other schools, he’s signing what he can because that’s all he can do where he’s at. Credit to him it’s elevated the program to be a competitor this year and it’s a great strategy for a program with recruiting limitations.

But saying that this is his ideal approach isn’t realistic either.

It’s akin to marrying the girl you wanted in college after she’s had two kids and a divorce. It’s great that you’re with her now, but no one would rather let her go with someone else for a few years rather than just locking her up to begin with.

UF is a school where you can sign those kids right away and hold onto them if you want them. And thats why UF is a threat for Lane if they come after him.
Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 11:51 am to
Kiffin won't touch UF with a ten foot pole. No way will he get involved in that dumpster fire.

I agree that Oxford is a shithole and no one ever stays there long (Lane won't either) but he won't be going to Florida.
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
9325 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 11:53 am to
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Lol he had the #1 portal class at OM…how can you do better than #1?


Can't sustain that long term... He's gotta get some HS kids in at some point. Depth.
Posted by Themicah86
Member since Jun 2023
2039 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Miss St is basically a mid major program, I don't really count that.


Mississippi state is not a mid major program. That's a ridiculous statement. Are they in a loaded division? Yes. Do they have resource limitations in relation to alot of schools? Also yes. Look at ole miss currently. It takes hiring the right coach and that's it. Miss state competed pretty damn well in the west under mullen given bama. Lsu and at times auburn were monsters. During his time at Mississippi state I bet someone from just his division of the sec won the national title 30% of the time.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
17053 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:13 pm to
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Kiffin won't touch UF with a ten foot pole. No way will he get involved in that dumpster fire.

Why? They’re a buy low opportunity for an elite coach to come in with lowered expectations and win big.
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I agree that Oxford is a shithole

It isn’t, it’s a great college town with reasonable fan expectations.

It just has recruiting limitations due to the state it’s located in and the NIL money available.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
4154 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:19 pm to
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Why? They’re a buy low opportunity for an elite coach to come in with lowered expectations and win big.
lane would not want to deal with the uaa or our boosters
Posted by AulderMagee
Dallas
Member since Mar 2024
3087 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:25 pm to
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Why? They’re a buy low opportunity for an elite coach to come in with lowered expectations and win big.


Lowered expectations?

He's not going anywhere near that.. Even Lane's not that dumb.

No good, established coach will touch it.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:35 pm to
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Can't sustain that long term... He's gotta get some HS kids in at some point. Depth.


Yall have this completely backward. High school kids that don’t play as Fr and don’t look like they are going to play as So leave. Kids will not wait til their 3 year to play.

People saying Ole Miss doesn’t have NIL is ridiculous. We may not be top 3 in the country but we are top 15 easily. Our portal classes prove that.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
17053 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 3:30 pm to
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lane would not want to deal with the uaa or our boosters

Name an elite school without crazy boosters?

If they were rational and reasonable they wouldn’t be spending tens of millions on cfb players who don’t return them any revenue.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Name an elite school without crazy boosters? If


He doesn’t deal with booster much in Oxford. Never does the hand shake deal or kiss babies. We are one of the few schools where that is possible. A few boosters didn’t like it early in his tenure but came around when he won. Same thing Saban did at Alabama.
Posted by MedDawg
Member since Dec 2009
4568 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 4:52 pm to
In no way does the #1 portal class equal #1 roster. OM's roster is still way behind UGA, Bama, Ohio State, and the other usual final four teams. Kiffin is great enough to take OM to the Top 10 despite not having a Top 10 roster.

Even counting the transfers, OM's 2024 overall class didn't make the Top 20. Florida's class was better. Florida's overall roster is likely better than OM's too (see the blue chip % linked above). So it won't be the rosters or NIL that would stop Kiffin from going from OM to UF.

OM and Kiffin have been way ahead in NIL, but as soon as richer schools decide to go all-in, OM will lose the advantage they have had. Auburn is one school doing it quickly. Tennessee, too. Florida may behind OM in NIL right now but could catch up quickly if they wanted to, especially if Kiffin were to go there.

Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
11688 posts
Posted on 8/17/24 at 5:01 pm to
Lane recruits just fine in HS. Ole Miss had the #21 composite high school class with only 19 signees. 9 of the 19 signees were 4*+. He invested more in the portal last year because it made the most sense for his team - Ole Miss didn't need to rebuild this year, they just needed to reload. A lot of key pieces were already there.

If you need an indicator of the NIL differences between Ole Miss and Florida, let me remind you that a sitting All-SEC player chose to transfer from Florida to Ole Miss this offseason. That should tell you all you need to know about the difference between the two programs currently.

If Kiffin goes to Florida, it will simply be because they are paying him an extravagant amount of money to come coach there.
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