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re: When did the Big 3 from the West change?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:52 am to Crimson Legend
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:52 am to Crimson Legend
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Only one of the last 5 auburn teams was even in the conversation of winning the division.
How selective of you.
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:52 am to therick711
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It's a crutch
So pointing out a clear contradiction to what someone stated is a crutch? And I didnt bring it up, a bama fan did
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:52 am to bee Rye
No, football started in 2000. LSU is 123-34 (78% winning percentage) with 4 SEC titles, 5 SEC West championships, and 2 BCS titles since then. Everyone knows this!
As for Auburn, they have the potential and this time last year, they were the defending national champions. So, the OP is right. We can flame and attack all we want, but the truth is, Auburn is historically a top 15 program with the potential to be dominant at any point with the right coaching/recruiting. They are capable - much more so than Arkansas over the long haul.
However, I think that we are all down on Auburn because we know that they won with one of the greatest college players any of us have ever seen. Cam Newton was just dominant. Apart from Cam, Auburn has been average to bad under Chizik. And, this year doesn't look any better. Plus, we all know how you got Cam and we all know it was a dirty move with a player who had been dismissed at Florida.
If Cam doesn't steal a laptop, Cam brings Florida another national championship and Urban Meyer is possibly still there. That is how fragile Auburn's national title was.
Meanwhile, LSU has built a PROGRAM. They won't win it every year, but we all know that they will be consistently at the top. Losses will happen, but they will win 10 games more often than not and compete for a national championship every 3-4 years or so.
Alabama has also built a PROGRAM that is elite. They will be at the top every year and will win the whole thing regularly - although they seem to have a problem winning the SEC. :)
Arkansas, yeah, I agree. I don't get it either. They haven't won anything and got obliterated by the other two powers in the West. AND, they lost their coach, which was the whole reason they were competitive. He was building a PROGRAM, but got derailed. The jury is out on how Arkansas is going to respond.
Honestly, I see Arkansas and Auburn as the same with Texas A&M having the potential to join them as second tier SEC West teams.
So, my pecking order for the SEC West on a year-in-year-out basis is as follows in alphabetical order
Tier 1: Alabama/LSU
Tier 2: Arkansas/Auburn/Texas A&M
Tier 3: Miss. St./Ole Miss
From time to time, a team will move up one tier for a year and a team might move down for a year. But, it will correct itself the next year and to quote Barrett Jones, order will be restored. Of course, this could change, but it would need to accompany a coaching change and a 5-7 year historical shift.
This fits along with Stewart Mandel's explanation of how college football is right now, too.
The one thing that we know, however, is that Nick Saban has been at both schools that are in tier 1. LSU kept it going and is even more consistent since Saban left, but I have no doubt that Saban would have enjoyed the same success. Alabama's hire after Saban leaves will be crucial, but I have no doubt that they will hire a good one and keep it going as well.
If Saban would have been at Auburn from 2000-2004 and then if Auburn would have made a good hire to follow up, I have no doubt that you would see Alabama/Auburn in tier 1 and LSU in tier 2 along with Arkansas and A&M.
We just don't think that Chizik is a guy who is on the level of Saban or Miles. Criticize Miles all you want, but he is elite and has proven it. This league is too tough for him to be faking it in year 8 and still have his team at this level.
As for Auburn, they have the potential and this time last year, they were the defending national champions. So, the OP is right. We can flame and attack all we want, but the truth is, Auburn is historically a top 15 program with the potential to be dominant at any point with the right coaching/recruiting. They are capable - much more so than Arkansas over the long haul.
However, I think that we are all down on Auburn because we know that they won with one of the greatest college players any of us have ever seen. Cam Newton was just dominant. Apart from Cam, Auburn has been average to bad under Chizik. And, this year doesn't look any better. Plus, we all know how you got Cam and we all know it was a dirty move with a player who had been dismissed at Florida.
If Cam doesn't steal a laptop, Cam brings Florida another national championship and Urban Meyer is possibly still there. That is how fragile Auburn's national title was.
Meanwhile, LSU has built a PROGRAM. They won't win it every year, but we all know that they will be consistently at the top. Losses will happen, but they will win 10 games more often than not and compete for a national championship every 3-4 years or so.
Alabama has also built a PROGRAM that is elite. They will be at the top every year and will win the whole thing regularly - although they seem to have a problem winning the SEC. :)
Arkansas, yeah, I agree. I don't get it either. They haven't won anything and got obliterated by the other two powers in the West. AND, they lost their coach, which was the whole reason they were competitive. He was building a PROGRAM, but got derailed. The jury is out on how Arkansas is going to respond.
Honestly, I see Arkansas and Auburn as the same with Texas A&M having the potential to join them as second tier SEC West teams.
So, my pecking order for the SEC West on a year-in-year-out basis is as follows in alphabetical order
Tier 1: Alabama/LSU
Tier 2: Arkansas/Auburn/Texas A&M
Tier 3: Miss. St./Ole Miss
From time to time, a team will move up one tier for a year and a team might move down for a year. But, it will correct itself the next year and to quote Barrett Jones, order will be restored. Of course, this could change, but it would need to accompany a coaching change and a 5-7 year historical shift.
This fits along with Stewart Mandel's explanation of how college football is right now, too.
The one thing that we know, however, is that Nick Saban has been at both schools that are in tier 1. LSU kept it going and is even more consistent since Saban left, but I have no doubt that Saban would have enjoyed the same success. Alabama's hire after Saban leaves will be crucial, but I have no doubt that they will hire a good one and keep it going as well.
If Saban would have been at Auburn from 2000-2004 and then if Auburn would have made a good hire to follow up, I have no doubt that you would see Alabama/Auburn in tier 1 and LSU in tier 2 along with Arkansas and A&M.
We just don't think that Chizik is a guy who is on the level of Saban or Miles. Criticize Miles all you want, but he is elite and has proven it. This league is too tough for him to be faking it in year 8 and still have his team at this level.
This post was edited on 8/24/12 at 10:59 am
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:53 am to TheSandman
Overall, It really has not changed.
#1-BAMA
#2-LSU
#3-Au
#3b-ARK
Historically you could agrue that Au is ahead of LSU but currently I'd rate LSU way ahead of Au.
ARK has made a nice run on Au the last several years; winning what 4-5? But overall Au is still the better program. If the current trend continues I could See ARK moving ahead of Au but it would take another 3-5 years of dominance.
#1-BAMA
#2-LSU
#3-Au
#3b-ARK
Historically you could agrue that Au is ahead of LSU but currently I'd rate LSU way ahead of Au.
ARK has made a nice run on Au the last several years; winning what 4-5? But overall Au is still the better program. If the current trend continues I could See ARK moving ahead of Au but it would take another 3-5 years of dominance.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:53 am to therick711
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When things are right, Auburn won't piss on Alabama if they are on fire.
Id pull up a chair and warm my feet today if I could.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:53 am to Crow Pie
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Les hasnt come.close to.getting blown out ...
:mercyknee:
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:53 am to NYCAuburn
21-0 was bad..a.fail yea...but it wasn't a blow.out remember LSU and Bama split.last.year.
Auburn had No Hope, No Chance in their blowouts.They were manhandles on BOTH sides.of the ball.
Auburn had No Hope, No Chance in their blowouts.They were manhandles on BOTH sides.of the ball.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:54 am to AlaTiger
way TL;DR
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:54 am to parkjas2001
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Id pull up a chair and warm my feet today if I could.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:55 am to Crimson Legend
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Only one of the last 5 auburn teams was even in the conversation of winning the division. So I guess "bad year" for you is what most of us consider the status quo.
Is this "legend" from the Finebaum show? Because your posts are ignorant like his calls.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:55 am to Crow Pie
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21-0 was bad..a.fail yea...but it wasn't a blow.out remember LSU and Bama split.last.year. Auburn had No Hope, No Chance in their blowouts.They were manhandles on BOTH sides.of the ball.
So are you going to retract your statement or would you like more examples?
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but it wasn't a blow.out
this part made me laugh though
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:56 am to Crow Pie
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21-0 was bad..a.fail yea...but it wasn't a blow.out
Did y'all cross the 50?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:56 am to AlaTiger
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and 3 BCS titles since then. Everyone knows this!
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:56 am to NYCAuburn
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What were you before Saban?
Winning Championships..
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:57 am to NYCAuburn
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So pointing out a clear contradiction to what someone stated is a crutch? And I didnt bring it up, a bama fan did
You reveled in it and didn't provide any examples of your team blowing Les Miles out. Yeah, you are propping Auburn up on the shoulders of your biggest rival while casually mentioning other games that could be cited. Your go to is Bama. That's not what I expect from most of the hardcore Auburn fans I know. No big deal. Just an observation.
To recap:
strong auburn is good for the SEC because Bama fans think they run shite when you guys are pathetic and inept and auburn fans can muster the appropriate vitriol at Bama when they have a shot in the iron bowl.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:57 am to Crow Pie
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Crow Pie
Keep digging that hole numbnuts.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:57 am to NYCAuburn
Lsu had 92 total yards,it was a beatdown.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:57 am to MattP598
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Did y'all cross the 50?
Yep.
And gotta love an AU fan living through bama..
How many times did we cross the 50 on your sorry arse?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:58 am to therick711
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therick711
Your friend has issues medication wont cure.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:58 am to therick711
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You reveled in it and didn't provide any examples of your team blowing Les Miles out. Yeah, you are propping Auburn up on the shoulders of your biggest rival while casually mentioning other games that could be cited. Your go to is Bama. That's not what I expect from most of the hardcore Auburn fans I know. No big deal. Just an observation.
To recap:
strong auburn is good for the SEC because Bama fans think they run shite when you guys are pathetic and inept and auburn fans can muster the appropriate vitriol at Bama when they have a shot in the iron bowl.
It's actually amazing at how bad LSU has underachieved with an entire state to themselves and no rival. When was the last time y'all went undefeated? 1958?
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