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Whats really stopping South Carolina from Being Good in Football?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:16 pm
I get bashed for expecting more of an ROI than what we get. So I'm wondering what opposing fan bases see as our issues. And for those who say it "cant be done here ever". Keep in mind those 3 top 10 finishes and 5 years of damned good football we got out of a "half here" Spurrier.
My theory is we're far too loyal of a fan base. And our BOTs and decisions makers take us for granted and just milk mediocrity. Imagine if a bad head coach hire got an AD fired with him like it would at Auburn, LSU or Bama.
My theory is we're far too loyal of a fan base. And our BOTs and decisions makers take us for granted and just milk mediocrity. Imagine if a bad head coach hire got an AD fired with him like it would at Auburn, LSU or Bama.
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:17 pm to HalfCocked
Clemson duh
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:23 pm to diddlydawg7
Recruiting.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:25 pm to HalfCocked
Smaller talent pool for college football now. That's why there is zero parity in the sport.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:25 pm to HalfCocked
My guess is the right HC. SC just needs to catch lightning in a bottle with the right hire.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:26 pm to HalfCocked
Clemson takes all thereally good football recruits and.. North Carolina cherry picks the best mens basketball players sooo
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:30 pm to HalfCocked
Like GT is our little brother. Y'all are the taters little brother with no tradition...nuff said. 
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:30 pm to HalfCocked
SC checks off a lot of boxes needed for success:
- passionate fanbase
- top notch facilities (much needed recent upgrades in and around WB)
- SEC conference membership
- fertile recruiting area
I think you nailed it with the BOT/decision makers comment. Incompetent and complacent "leadership" seems to be a systemic problem and will require a complete over haul of personnel and accountability from the supporters. As much as I would like to see SC remain mediocre, there is a shite-load of untapped potential with the program.
- passionate fanbase
- top notch facilities (much needed recent upgrades in and around WB)
- SEC conference membership
- fertile recruiting area
I think you nailed it with the BOT/decision makers comment. Incompetent and complacent "leadership" seems to be a systemic problem and will require a complete over haul of personnel and accountability from the supporters. As much as I would like to see SC remain mediocre, there is a shite-load of untapped potential with the program.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:34 pm to GregAl
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Recruiting
This which starts with leadership.
The AD has to show that football is a priority with facilities.
The coaches have to be great at it.
Then, key wins are needed to sustain and improve it.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:39 pm to HalfCocked
The biggest obstacle is your history, imo. You have access to Georgia and Florida talent. Right now with Clemson going so well, and Georgia doing better you are in a tough position.
Holtz and Spurrier proved that SC can have winning football, though, so it's a matter of getting the right coach.
Holtz and Spurrier proved that SC can have winning football, though, so it's a matter of getting the right coach.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:40 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Smaller talent pool for college football now. That's why there is zero parity in the sport.
Is there? There's more talent than ever in Georgia,NC and Florida and SC boarders 2 of those states.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:41 pm to HalfCocked
Spurrier put the weenie to you by effectively retiring a couple of years before he bothered to officially leave the side lines.
That allowed Clemson to recruit their way into being a dominant football power. It is not fun to share a state with a rival who is a perennial top 5 team.
Basically its not the BoT that is holding you back. You had a HoF head coach that steered you onto the rocks and his replacement, Will Muschamp, is thoroughly mediocre head coach.
Trust me. It could be much worse. After the last 8 years Arkansas fans would kill for an awesomely average head coach.
That allowed Clemson to recruit their way into being a dominant football power. It is not fun to share a state with a rival who is a perennial top 5 team.
Basically its not the BoT that is holding you back. You had a HoF head coach that steered you onto the rocks and his replacement, Will Muschamp, is thoroughly mediocre head coach.
Trust me. It could be much worse. After the last 8 years Arkansas fans would kill for an awesomely average head coach.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:43 pm to DAWGDad
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Like GT is our little brother. Y'all are the taters little brother with no tradition...nuff said
But they owned the taters when Spurrier was there...not that long ago.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:51 pm to RD Dawg
You don't think years of telling people the dangers of CTE and football is causing a decrease in football talent overall?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:52 pm to Arksulli
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Spurrier put the weenie to you by effectively retiring a couple of years before he bothered to officially leave the side lines.
That allowed Clemson to recruit their way into being a dominant football power. It is not fun to share a state with a rival who is a perennial top 5 team.
Basically its not the BoT that is holding you back. You had a HoF head coach that steered you onto the rocks and his replacement, Will Muschamp, is thoroughly mediocre head coach.
Trust me. It could be much worse. After the last 8 years Arkansas fans would kill for an awesomely average head coach.
Wouldn't Arkansas take Muschamp if he gets fired at South Carolina? I think so!
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:56 pm to HalfCocked
Lack of tradition, history, chutzpah....those answers are mouth breather answers. It has nothing to do with Clemson or Georgia or anybody else in the SEC. South Carolina needs, like everybody else, a top tier coaching staff or elite recruits. And if it’s the latter, not just one or two, but all over the field.
Spurrier won because he was still damn good, put together a good staff, and had enough studs to compete.
There is no secret sauce.
Spurrier won because he was still damn good, put together a good staff, and had enough studs to compete.
There is no secret sauce.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:58 pm to HalfCocked
2010 Garcia, Lattimore, Alshon was a peak USC imo.
Such an awesome trio.
Wins vs UGA, Bama, Fla
Same with Arkansas that year when they beat LSU and UGA.
Ryan Mallett was pretty damn good.
Knile Davis too and they had like 4-5 really good receivers.
Spurrier and Petrino fielded some tough teams in the SEC and could hang with anyone.
All you need is the right head coach.
Such an awesome trio.
Wins vs UGA, Bama, Fla
Same with Arkansas that year when they beat LSU and UGA.
Ryan Mallett was pretty damn good.
Knile Davis too and they had like 4-5 really good receivers.
Spurrier and Petrino fielded some tough teams in the SEC and could hang with anyone.
All you need is the right head coach.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:59 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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You don't think years of telling people the dangers of CTE and football is causing a decrease in football talent overall?
Sure if you look at the entire country and participation rates are down but if you're just talking about a specific region and access to blue Chip kids I know there's more than you had 20+ years ago in each of the states I mentioned.
If we were referring to building a power at PAC 12 school like ASU or AU,I think you'd have a point about less players/talent
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:05 pm to HalfCocked
Jimmies and Joes
Your not recruiting at a high enough level to compete. You need a coach who can get the guys in and coach them.
Spurrier landed Clowney, Lattimore, Gilmore etc.
Combine that with Clemson becoming a national power and your in a shitty spot. Starts with the players though. Need to get depth and quality into the program
Your not recruiting at a high enough level to compete. You need a coach who can get the guys in and coach them.
Spurrier landed Clowney, Lattimore, Gilmore etc.
Combine that with Clemson becoming a national power and your in a shitty spot. Starts with the players though. Need to get depth and quality into the program
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:05 pm to HalfCocked
Clemson was in a spot that being slightly more committed to football than peers in football was enough with Miami and FSU committing program suicide to win enough to start the national prominence ball rolling. They then fed off it.
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