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re: What would the SEC gain by adding Clemson and Florida State?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:46 pm to BuckI
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:46 pm to BuckI
quote:Apparently to keep the B1G out of the SEC footprint. Don't know if true or is even a legitimate argument. Seems like someone would have gobbled up West Virginia before the Big12 if "footprint encroachment" was a real thing. Football, not a big deal. But adding that much travel to the non revenue generating sports just seems counter intuitive to me.
I do not get it. The SEC is already in those states.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:05 pm to pankReb
quote:Texas is the top brand in Texas.
And we already had a team in Texas.
Are Clemson and Florida State the top brands in their states? Are they a packaged deal?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:10 pm to BuckI
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I do not get it. The SEC is already in those states.
Agreed. Now the secRant? that's another story.
Chicken will be able to retire from the rush on premium memberships he'll be selling.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:11 pm to BuckI
Nothing other than a more difficult schedule while the Big-12/10 cupid shuffle their way to the playoffs.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:11 pm to BuckI
Clemson and Florida St are two of the biggest brand names not currently in the SEC or Big 10. They’re highly competitive programs that create compelling matchups with premier venues within the SEC’s footprint. They’re cultural fits, teams tv audiences want to watch, they have traditional rivals in the SEC, and they’re actually closer road trip desitinations than many current members. If the SEC has to expand, who could possibly be a better candidate In football?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:17 pm to BuckI
SEC = content
B1G = market
No wonder you guys keep sucking wind
B1G = market
No wonder you guys keep sucking wind
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:26 pm to BuckI
FSU is a big brand with a lot of fans
Clemson I don’t think brings much however. Historically they’re meh
Clemson I don’t think brings much however. Historically they’re meh
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:30 pm to BuckI
I don't think ohio st is in the SEC, so honestly, you're just a visitor... and as such, please sit in the back of the classroom and STFU.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 3:56 pm to BuckI
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Texas is the top brand in Texas.
I'm aware. But this is shifting the goalposts from your original statement.
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Are Clemson and Florida State the top brands in their states?
They're the top brands in their respective TV markets, if that's what we're discussing.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:03 pm to pankReb
quote:Hasn't ESPN refused to discuss tv contracts even though we are adding all of this viewership? Seems like we our whittling down a very big stick to nothing but a toothpick.
They're the top brands in their respective TV markets, if that's what we're discussing.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:03 pm to BuckI
Scared?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:08 pm to Diamondawg
Putting the value that both FSU & Clemson bring aside. What the hell does Ole Miss, Miss St, Missouri, and Vandy bring/have? I’ll wait.
Again it’s not about footprint…it’s about eyeballs on games now. FSU & Clemson bring more eyeballs than everyone not named Bama, Texas, Ga, and Gay&M.
In reality UNC and one of the VA schools will be coming with us. Duke & both VA schools are a possibility.
Again it’s not about footprint…it’s about eyeballs on games now. FSU & Clemson bring more eyeballs than everyone not named Bama, Texas, Ga, and Gay&M.
In reality UNC and one of the VA schools will be coming with us. Duke & both VA schools are a possibility.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:10 pm to EvilJimbo
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FSU & Clemson bring more eyeballs than everyone
You're right....I have enjoyed watching FSU choke dick numerous times over the years.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:12 pm to BuckI
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I do not get it.
Shocker....
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:14 pm to EvilJimbo
quote:Other than being more recent national champions than Florida State as well as being charter members, we share equal say in the 14, soon to be 16 and possibly 18 member conference.
Ole Miss, Miss St
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:14 pm to deltaland
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Clemson I don’t think brings much however. Historically they’re meh
Absolutely beautiful area though. And since the campus was modeled after Mississippi State, of course it has an incredible campus as well.
"In his will, Clemson explicitly stated he wanted the school to be modeled after what is now Mississippi State University: "This institution, I desire, to be under the control and management of a board of trustees, a part of whom are hereinafter appointed, and to be modeled after the Agricultural College of Mississippi as far as practicable"
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:17 pm to Diamondawg
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Hasn't ESPN refused to discuss tv contracts even though we are adding all of this viewership? Seems like we our whittling down a very big stick to nothing but a toothpick.
I keep seeing comments like this.. so this isn’t aimed at just your comment.
I think a lot of people are too focused on the short term vs long term. Unfortunately, Sankey made this same decision with the CBS deal.
The CBS deal was less money.. but it gave the SEC nationwide exposure. It helped create the brand that the SEC is today.
The SEC deal starting in 2024 doesn’t last forever.. so even if it is the same $$ amount before and after adding Texas, Oklahoma, FSU & Clemson.. it will help create brand value and the great exposure that comes from all of those games will create a lot of extra value.
Who knows if this game will exist 50 or 100 years from now.. but you have to make decisions like it will still be played then..
The TV markets will be dominated by the SEC.
Think of the inventory.
Alabama vs Oklahoma
Alabama vs FSU
Alabama vs Texas
Alabama vs Clemson
LSU vs those 4
Georgia vs those 4
Florida vs those 4
etc etc
on top of the already great games..
We should be able to have 2 or more amazing games every week of the year. We may need to add games on Sunday Night or Thursday Night..
but the SEC will be a monster.
Just my opinion. There is plenty of money for everyone. The brand is all that matters now. The money will follow and be significantly more than it is now.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:54 pm to Diamondawg
quote:Why would ESPN pay more when they have the SEC over the barrel? Until ESPN's future ownership is more clear, one is only guessing when predicting future revenue.
Hasn't ESPN refused to discuss tv contracts even though we are adding all of this viewership? Seems like we our whittling down a very big stick to nothing but a toothpick.
Texas and Oklahoma alone should have given the league a bump but ESPN does not have the money.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 4:54 pm to EvilJimbo
quote:Uhh...
FSU & Clemson bring more eyeballs than everyone not named Bama, Texas, Ga, and Gay&M
From 2015-2019
Ohio State (5.19M)
Alabama (5.09M)
Michigan (4.18M)
Notre Dame (3.61M)
LSU (3.22M)
Auburn (3.12M)
Georgia (2.91M)
Oklahoma (2.90M)
Clemson (2.67M)
Penn State (2.55M)
Florida (2.46M)
Wisconsin (2.27M)
Texas (2.269M)
Florida State (2.23M)
In 2022...
Ohio State — 5.80M
Alabama — 5.11M
Michigan — 4.37M
Tennessee — 4.13M
Georgia — 3.50M
Notre Dame — 3.30M
LSU — 3.22M
Texas — 3.06M
Penn State — 3.05M
Clemson — 2.59M
Florida — 2.57M
Oregon — 2.21M
TCU — 2.20M
Southern Cal — 2.07M
Florida State — 2.03M
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 5:03 pm to Jake88
there is a serious flaw in your argument..
No one wants to see FSU vs Wake Forest or Texas vs Baylor.. etc etc
But they do want to see FSU vs LSU and Texas vs Alabama etc etc
No one wants to see FSU vs Wake Forest or Texas vs Baylor.. etc etc
But they do want to see FSU vs LSU and Texas vs Alabama etc etc
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