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Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:19 pm to dapado33
quote:this. The Big10 should try and not be so racist.
Big 10: Recruit more black players and fewer slow, white people. Big XII: Play defense. ACC: Care about football as much as they do about basketball.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:24 pm to dapado33
I'm probably going with a mistake here by giving a serious answer, but there are several things you can do.
1.) Win. As soon as someone breaks the SEC's streak it will benefit all conferences outside the SEC. If the SEC loses multiple years, it would be even better for the other conferences. You can't do things like gray shirting if you don't have kids beating down the door to play for you. They'd go other places. The SEC gray shirts more frequently because it CAN gray shirt more frequently. It would help if the SEC did poorly in Bowls here. I put this as a possibility because while the SEC is the best conference bar none, sometimes things do go wrong on the field. The best team doesn't always win. If you look at the numbers in the Florida vs. Oklahoma game, Florida completely dominated the game but only won by 10. Auburn could have easily lost to Oregon. Most years, there is at least one team that has the ability to compete in the SEC and do well.
2.) Hire the right kind of coach. There's something that all coaches having success in the SEC do well- develop players. X's and O's aren't as important in the college game. Neither is in game decision making. Les Miles does not do well in the SEC because he's the greatest guy at drawing stuff on a board or the dirt. He's good because he is able to identify and develop talent. This does right along with recruitment. SEC coaches are very good at identifying potential and developing it quickly rather than just picking up kids everyone knows can play right away.
3.) Hire great coordinators (especially defensive ones). X's and O's are still important. Leave the schemes to these guys.
4.) Recruit well out of the South, Florida (you guys aren't the South, sorry), Texas (again, you guys aren't in the South, sorry), or California. The football source beds used to include the NE and the Midwest... used to. It's no longer the case, and a competitive team can no longer be fielded drawing primarily out of these areas.
5.) Schedule more difficult opponents. While other conferences love to talk about the pancakes the SEC plays, virtually every SEC team at some point has to run a gauntlet, playing several physical and tough games in a very short time frame. Even Alabama with a weaker schedule played LSU, TAMU, and Georgia within 30 days (I think it was 28 days). Playing against good teams prepares you. I believe the hardest adjustment to make in football is the one where you underestimate your opponent and have to make scheme adjustments. It's trivial to make adjuments when you have overestimated your opponent.
I hope nobody minds a baseball reference here, but when you go from little leagues where no one can throw a curveball to high school, there's a learning curve. You haven't seen a curveball, you have a much harder time with it. Notre Dame has never seen a line like Alabama's line. Even if (and I do not believe they are) they are as good as Alabama's line (both offensive and defensive), they've played against inferior talent and it will show.
1.) Win. As soon as someone breaks the SEC's streak it will benefit all conferences outside the SEC. If the SEC loses multiple years, it would be even better for the other conferences. You can't do things like gray shirting if you don't have kids beating down the door to play for you. They'd go other places. The SEC gray shirts more frequently because it CAN gray shirt more frequently. It would help if the SEC did poorly in Bowls here. I put this as a possibility because while the SEC is the best conference bar none, sometimes things do go wrong on the field. The best team doesn't always win. If you look at the numbers in the Florida vs. Oklahoma game, Florida completely dominated the game but only won by 10. Auburn could have easily lost to Oregon. Most years, there is at least one team that has the ability to compete in the SEC and do well.
2.) Hire the right kind of coach. There's something that all coaches having success in the SEC do well- develop players. X's and O's aren't as important in the college game. Neither is in game decision making. Les Miles does not do well in the SEC because he's the greatest guy at drawing stuff on a board or the dirt. He's good because he is able to identify and develop talent. This does right along with recruitment. SEC coaches are very good at identifying potential and developing it quickly rather than just picking up kids everyone knows can play right away.
3.) Hire great coordinators (especially defensive ones). X's and O's are still important. Leave the schemes to these guys.
4.) Recruit well out of the South, Florida (you guys aren't the South, sorry), Texas (again, you guys aren't in the South, sorry), or California. The football source beds used to include the NE and the Midwest... used to. It's no longer the case, and a competitive team can no longer be fielded drawing primarily out of these areas.
5.) Schedule more difficult opponents. While other conferences love to talk about the pancakes the SEC plays, virtually every SEC team at some point has to run a gauntlet, playing several physical and tough games in a very short time frame. Even Alabama with a weaker schedule played LSU, TAMU, and Georgia within 30 days (I think it was 28 days). Playing against good teams prepares you. I believe the hardest adjustment to make in football is the one where you underestimate your opponent and have to make scheme adjustments. It's trivial to make adjuments when you have overestimated your opponent.
I hope nobody minds a baseball reference here, but when you go from little leagues where no one can throw a curveball to high school, there's a learning curve. You haven't seen a curveball, you have a much harder time with it. Notre Dame has never seen a line like Alabama's line. Even if (and I do not believe they are) they are as good as Alabama's line (both offensive and defensive), they've played against inferior talent and it will show.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:25 pm to stronghouse
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Simply put the fans have to demand more
I think nails it. Look at the quotes Bielema gave for why he decided to come to Arkansas. He specifically said that football simply wasn't a priority. The fans are going to have to demand success.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:26 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Well I think the geographical location of the SEC schools makes us better.
And other schools can't do shite about it.
And other schools can't do shite about it.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:29 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Well I think the geographical location of the SEC schools makes us better.
And other schools can't do shite about it.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:47 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:And sell their soul to the devil.
All of the above
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 5:55 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
We spend money on football. It's as simple as that.
The best tech companies spend money on engineers and coders. Those that have the best typically often do well.
Look at AD budgets. Look at how much of said budget is spent in the recruiting budget for football, and the football program as a whole. You could say facilities, but a ton of those are built by off the book non profit booster groups so investments like that don't always show up.
But the SEC's priority is football. We make money by making this a priority. LSU made $18 million net last year, and donated $9 million, and just agreed to make that type of donation to the University itself an annual contribution.
The best extraction engineers and petroleum engineers are in the Southeast and Southwest because plants were built close to the raw materials they work with.
Same as coaches. The athletes are here, its easier to get them and develop them where they're treated like a priority, and you can win and be rewarded at a higher level.
Cold hard math here...
The best tech companies spend money on engineers and coders. Those that have the best typically often do well.
Look at AD budgets. Look at how much of said budget is spent in the recruiting budget for football, and the football program as a whole. You could say facilities, but a ton of those are built by off the book non profit booster groups so investments like that don't always show up.
But the SEC's priority is football. We make money by making this a priority. LSU made $18 million net last year, and donated $9 million, and just agreed to make that type of donation to the University itself an annual contribution.
The best extraction engineers and petroleum engineers are in the Southeast and Southwest because plants were built close to the raw materials they work with.
Same as coaches. The athletes are here, its easier to get them and develop them where they're treated like a priority, and you can win and be rewarded at a higher level.
Cold hard math here...
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:06 pm to GFunk
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We spend money on football. It's as simple as that.
What about the likes of Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc? They spend a lot of money on football too. I dont think its a problem you can just throw money at (unless you throw it to nick saban).
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:11 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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beg for mercy
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:48 pm to samson73103
The ONLY way they could do it is to consistently steal players from SEC states.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 7:50 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:it´s pretty nice, but damn, just damn.
some of the most beautiful beaches in the world
Posted on 12/13/12 at 8:58 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
No shot
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:38 pm to LSUsCRYSTALball
Wouldn't this mean that Mississippi should have the best football programs in the nation?
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:41 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
"Sometimes a warrior just has to lay down and have a good bleed."
-- John Pelphrey
-- John Pelphrey
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:49 pm to PrivatePublic
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Wouldn't this mean that Mississippi should have the best football programs in the nation?
It would, if it had double the population. It absolutely would.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:57 pm to Mohican
I think everyone's pretty much hit on it. The SEC has just a ridiculous amount of things in its favor. Rabid fans, huge stadiums, committed programs, and a monopoly on the nation's best talent.
What would I do if I were other conferences? Well, I would try to undermine them. You're not going to beat them on an even plane. Say they cheat, scream about oversigning, say don't care about academics, are racists, play nobodies, rig the system, get lucky, etc., etc.
Other than that, hope you can beat them in a one game scenario enough times to turn the tide, and spend more money than you've so far been willing to to hire the nations very best coaches (assuming they're willing to coach so far away from the southern talent base).
SEC teams then get to refine their level of play against the other best teams in the country. You will usually play 2-3 games against Top 10 teams with Top 10 talent. Steel sharpens steel. Florida State had at least as much if not more talent than UF this year, but UF had been refined and sharpened playing their schedule and made them look like the gap was much bigger between them.
It's really just tough to see a way other conferences can match it. Too many variables are in the SEC's favor. I almost hate it for them.
What would I do if I were other conferences? Well, I would try to undermine them. You're not going to beat them on an even plane. Say they cheat, scream about oversigning, say don't care about academics, are racists, play nobodies, rig the system, get lucky, etc., etc.
Other than that, hope you can beat them in a one game scenario enough times to turn the tide, and spend more money than you've so far been willing to to hire the nations very best coaches (assuming they're willing to coach so far away from the southern talent base).
SEC teams then get to refine their level of play against the other best teams in the country. You will usually play 2-3 games against Top 10 teams with Top 10 talent. Steel sharpens steel. Florida State had at least as much if not more talent than UF this year, but UF had been refined and sharpened playing their schedule and made them look like the gap was much bigger between them.
It's really just tough to see a way other conferences can match it. Too many variables are in the SEC's favor. I almost hate it for them.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 9:59 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:The other conferences just don't have the talent base we do. Only a couple of schools from the other conferences can really compete, and they don't face the same competition SEC teams do every week.
What must the other conferences do to compete with SEC football?
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:03 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:
A: get better coaches
B: spend more money of their football programs
are the only two that will help and that they control. Most are already behind because of location(recruits), and lack of passion.
No passion for CFB leads to not spending enough money on facilities and coaches.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:32 pm to Mohican
quote:
Wouldn't this mean that Mississippi should have the best football programs in the nation?quote:
It would, if it had double the population. It absolutely would.
And 1/3 the FBS schools - or at least just one SEC school. We could compete at the highest level with what we have if you combined MSU and Ole Miss, instead of splitting the talent.
Urban can and will compete @ Ohio State... I think that's a given. Texas will eventually clean house, and they will compete. Dabo and Jimbo are recruiting enough talent to compete. So is Kiffin and Kelly. The problem is that they are all isolated with only 1-2 per conference, so they don't get the every day competition...
One thing I'm fairly certain of - the schools/conferences in realignment that are making moves out of desperation are going to end up hurting themselves more than they help. In chasing the SEC, they are losing their identities and the other unique things that has potential to make them special...thus setting themselves back longterm IMO
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 10:33 pm
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