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re: What is Moo State’s ceiling?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 11:20 pm to Captain Falcon
Posted on 9/28/20 at 11:20 pm to Captain Falcon
This feels like a fair assessment. I can say for sure, no one should feel confident that Miss St is a clear checkbox in the win column. It's one of the reasons I was ecstatic that Tennessee didn't hire Leach. He's a maniac, and he is not without flaws, but the man is a fricking autistic savant when it comes to scheming up a passing offense.
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 11:22 pm to LC412000
Because it's really fricking hard to win a conference championship when 2 other teams in your division are also 7-1 in conference.
That happened in 2008 in the Big 12 South, when Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma were 7-1. Who picked the Big 12 South Winner? The AP Poll. Was the AP Poll ever going to pick Texas Tech over Oklahoma or Texas? frick no.
It's also really dumb when a 10-4 team is picked as a champion over an 11-2 team, but that's what happened in 2018.
It's also really, REALLY, fricking dumb that one of Wazzu's losses in 2018 was against USC, where on the second-to-last play there is clear and no-doubt-about-it roughing the passer penalty which the broadcast crew clearly point out and there isn't any flag, there isn't any review. Leach thought for sure there'd be a flag because it was that blatant, but as the play clock got lower a woozy Minshew got the snap and couldn't do anything, got sacked. Rushed the field goal unit on the field and missed the FG.
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Check that bullshite out. No frickin' way a Bama QB gets hit like that and they don't fricking tar and feather the damn defender. fricking hell.
That happened in 2008 in the Big 12 South, when Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma were 7-1. Who picked the Big 12 South Winner? The AP Poll. Was the AP Poll ever going to pick Texas Tech over Oklahoma or Texas? frick no.
It's also really dumb when a 10-4 team is picked as a champion over an 11-2 team, but that's what happened in 2018.
It's also really, REALLY, fricking dumb that one of Wazzu's losses in 2018 was against USC, where on the second-to-last play there is clear and no-doubt-about-it roughing the passer penalty which the broadcast crew clearly point out and there isn't any flag, there isn't any review. Leach thought for sure there'd be a flag because it was that blatant, but as the play clock got lower a woozy Minshew got the snap and couldn't do anything, got sacked. Rushed the field goal unit on the field and missed the FG.
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Check that bullshite out. No frickin' way a Bama QB gets hit like that and they don't fricking tar and feather the damn defender. fricking hell.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 11:24 pm to Hailstate15
I could see 7-3, even 8-2.
There's a lot of trash floating around at the bottom of the SEC barrel this year for them to beat up on
There's a lot of trash floating around at the bottom of the SEC barrel this year for them to beat up on
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:24 am to BowlJackson
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There's a lot of trash floating around at the bottom of the SEC barrel this year for them to beat up on
quote:starting with your fat trashy mom.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:26 am to LC412000
7-3
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:35 am to megiddo
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It's also really, REALLY, fricking dumb that one of Wazzu's losses in 2018 was against USC, where on the second-to-last play there is clear and no-doubt-about-it roughing the passer penalty which the broadcast crew clearly point out and there isn't any flag, there isn't any review. Leach thought for sure there'd be a flag because it was that blatant, but as the play clock got lower a woozy Minshew got the snap and couldn't do anything, got sacked. Rushed the field goal unit on the field and missed the FG.
Wait, you're keying in on a game from week 4 of the 2018 season as to why they didn't win the conference? And Minshew didn't get sacked the next play, the WSU running back carried the ball the next two plays and picked up 4 yards. Then, WSU kicker had a 38 yard FG blocked. Here's a link to the game highlights LINK
They also had a chance to leave no doubt against Washington, the team they finished tied with, the last game of the season and lost that game 28-15.
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It's also really dumb when a 10-4 team is picked as a champion over an 11-2 team, but that's what happened in 2018.
They were not "chosen." They had the same conference record and Washington won the h2h game. OOC games will never be relevant in determining conference championships. And Washington had lost 3 games when that conference championship was decided (to #9 Auburn by 5 in the 1st game of the season). Their bowl game gave them their 4th loss, and that was to #5 Ohio State. WSU's OOC schedule was a joke, and they played 8-5 Iowa State in their bowl game.
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That happened in 2008 in the Big 12 South, when Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma were 7-1. Who picked the Big 12 South Winner? The AP Poll. Was the AP Poll ever going to pick Texas Tech over Oklahoma or Texas? frick no.
Same thing happened to Texas Tech in 2008. They had a chance to win the conference outright playing Oklahoma in the 2nd to last game of the season and got beat 65-21. The AP poll should have ranked them higher than Texas Tech after that arse beating. That's not a conspiracy.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:41 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:43 am to lsufball19
Why do you think Wazzu ran the ball the next two plays after Minshew got fricking slammed in the helmet? Use your brain if you need to.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:44 am to megiddo
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Why do you think Wazzu ran the ball the next two plays after Minshew got fricking slammed in the helmet?
You said he got up woozy, got sacked, then they rushed their FG unit on. That literally didn't happen.
And I guess we'll just ignore them failing when they had the opportunity to beat Washington to win the conference. Missed penalties happen. Keying in on one in 12 games in an entire season as to why a conference championship is one is ridiculous. And this was a personal foul penalty, at that, that had no effect on the outcome of that particular play. You're saying because WSU didn't get bailed out by a bonehead late hit by a USC player that they should have won the Pac12.
Maybe don't find yourself losing late in the 4th quarter and you won't be searching for personal foul calls to win. And who says they go on to score a TD there? WHo says they don't miss another FG or lose in OT?
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:49 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:48 am to lsufball19
Did the bullshite uncalled roughing the passer happen?
Forgive me for not remembering the exact proceedings of a game 2 years ago when I was so fricking irate at the bullshite no-call.
Now tell me, was that roughing the passer, either with or without targeting. Keep in mind that 2018 is the year that the NCAA starting putting even more focus on protecting QBs from shots to the head.
Thankfully Leach kicked your arse in Baton Rouge. Hopefully that will get y'all to actually condition your players. Your corners were crying about how tired they were They could do with a bit less coddling.
Forgive me for not remembering the exact proceedings of a game 2 years ago when I was so fricking irate at the bullshite no-call.
Now tell me, was that roughing the passer, either with or without targeting. Keep in mind that 2018 is the year that the NCAA starting putting even more focus on protecting QBs from shots to the head.
Thankfully Leach kicked your arse in Baton Rouge. Hopefully that will get y'all to actually condition your players. Your corners were crying about how tired they were
They could do with a bit less coddling.This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:50 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:49 am to megiddo
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Did the bullshite uncalled roughing the passer happen?
Forgive me for not remembering the exact proceedings of a game 2 years ago when I was so fricking irate at the bullshite no-call.
Now tell me, was that roughing the passer, either with or without targeting. Keep in mind that 2018 is the year that the NCAA starting putting even more focus on protecting QBs from shots to the head.
Sure, it was a missed call. But what happened the rest of the game for them to find themselves losing with 2 minutes left? Why couldn't they manage to make a 38 yard FG to tie the game? Why do you assume they win the game absent that call?
quote:I've watched my team win 3 national titles the past 16 years, including one in January. I promise you losing one game to Mike Leach isn't going to crush me
Thankfully Leach kicked your arse in Baton Rouge. Hopefully that will get y'all to actually condition your players. Your corners were crying about how tired they were
I watched LSU lose to Troy in 2017. I'll be fine. And are you just a Mike Leach fan or something? Seems weird to be so emotionally invested in all of his career stops, but to each his own
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:53 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:52 am to lsufball19
Because them actually calling a flag and reviewing the play for targeting would give Wazzu time to check on Minshew, see if he's okay, and if not then they could put in the backup QB. It's a whole other game if the referee who was staring directly at Minshew getting nailed by the guy launching with his helmet actually made the obvious call.
And frick yes I'm a Mike Leach fan. Dude can fricking coach. His teams are fun as hell to watch. He got absolutely fricking swindled by Texas Tech, ESPN, Craig James, and the national media in general. Of course I was going to follow the team that eventually brought him back to coaching college football. And of course I'd follow him to the SEC, where all I've heard for 20 years is how the air raid can't work against SEC defenses. Worked out pretty fricking well on Saturday.
And frick yes I'm a Mike Leach fan. Dude can fricking coach. His teams are fun as hell to watch. He got absolutely fricking swindled by Texas Tech, ESPN, Craig James, and the national media in general. Of course I was going to follow the team that eventually brought him back to coaching college football. And of course I'd follow him to the SEC, where all I've heard for 20 years is how the air raid can't work against SEC defenses. Worked out pretty fricking well on Saturday.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:55 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:54 am to megiddo
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Because them actually calling a flag and reviewing the play for targeting would give Wazzu time to check on Minshew, see if he's okay, and if not then they could put in the backup QB. It's a whole other game if the referee who was staring directly at Minshew getting nailed by the guy launching with his helmet actually made the obvious call.
Right, but you still cannot guarantee a different outcome. That hit was on 1st down. The ball was on the 25. WSU had ample opportunity to win that game, regardless of that missed call, and failed. I promise you there are missed calls every game. That call did not single-handedly cost WSU the game. Get over it.
Washington State also had a timeout if they felt they needed to check on Minshew. They kept it in their pocket. And hell, looking at those highlights, WSU was bailed out on a questionable review the play before that hit.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 1:02 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:55 am to ThaiTiger24
I think Costello changes the trajectory of this team. Hard to say, I’ve never seen an MSU QB sling the ball like him.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:51 am to deltaland
State has better talent than WSU and Texas Tech.
What is their relative talent level in SEC?
I assume Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU will have more talent most years.
State certainly finds good linemen. Leach will find QBs.
Maybe he can get the Bulldogs to West title, but it is a long way from an early September “upset” of a depleted National Champion to Atlanta.
Never say never, but I would say it’s a long shot for any of us besides Bama to make it to Atlanta from the west. Not impossible, but I would guess Vegas has Bama to Atlanta at 1:2 or so.
What odds would Vegas give the “field” of west teams versus Bama to Atlanta?
Would enjoy seeing a reporter ask Saban this week,”as you look ahead to the Florida game in Atlanta on December 19, how will you handle Christmas shopping?”
What is their relative talent level in SEC?
I assume Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU will have more talent most years.
State certainly finds good linemen. Leach will find QBs.
Maybe he can get the Bulldogs to West title, but it is a long way from an early September “upset” of a depleted National Champion to Atlanta.
Never say never, but I would say it’s a long shot for any of us besides Bama to make it to Atlanta from the west. Not impossible, but I would guess Vegas has Bama to Atlanta at 1:2 or so.
What odds would Vegas give the “field” of west teams versus Bama to Atlanta?
Would enjoy seeing a reporter ask Saban this week,”as you look ahead to the Florida game in Atlanta on December 19, how will you handle Christmas shopping?”
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:54 am to ThaiTiger24
LSU is one team. I have no idea how our defense will handle a Duel Threat Qb. Brennan was a statue back there and that helped.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:04 am to ThaiTiger24
They are, which is why I’m not predicting State to win the SEC. No one is going to at State more than likely. I simply said people aren’t going to stop his
Offense. Especially with our current offensive line. A couple of schools will slow it down and be able to outscore us, like Alabama and Georgia with the possibility of Auburn / A&M.
Offense. Especially with our current offensive line. A couple of schools will slow it down and be able to outscore us, like Alabama and Georgia with the possibility of Auburn / A&M.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 7:07 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:08 am to ThaiTiger24
I think they are 4-0 going into Bama. They COULD beat everyone on their schedule accept the Tide. I don't see then beating UGA either, but they could win the rest 8-2 or 7-3
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:12 am to TailbackU
I mean look at the schedule:
Arkansas is garbage
Kentucky might give them a game but probably cant stop them
Texas A&M is expensive garbage
Alabama on the road isn't happening
Vanderbilt is a win
Georgia on the road isn't happening
Auburn at home is the game that could get them to a NY6 game
Ole Miss will be fun but State should win
Missouri is the best shot outside of AU, UA and UGA to give them a game
7-3 if games go the way they should
8-2 if they can pick off Auburn at home
6-4 if they slip up somewhere
Arkansas is garbage
Kentucky might give them a game but probably cant stop them
Texas A&M is expensive garbage
Alabama on the road isn't happening
Vanderbilt is a win
Georgia on the road isn't happening
Auburn at home is the game that could get them to a NY6 game
Ole Miss will be fun but State should win
Missouri is the best shot outside of AU, UA and UGA to give them a game
7-3 if games go the way they should
8-2 if they can pick off Auburn at home
6-4 if they slip up somewhere
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:42 am to ThaiTiger24
6 or 7 wins
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:45 am to peepingcrxxms
We made UK look bad
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