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re: What grades would you give Kelly and Napier so far?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:54 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:54 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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The problem is it's based solely a rankings when players were coming out of high school. So Trey Dean and Brenton Cox are still rated 4* and 5* even though they've been nothing but disappointing their entire careers.
And our best OL and RB are transfers from ULL.
You're correct about that. But the assumption (which is not always correct) is that
1 - Some part of that performance is due to the coaching staff, not the player. that's why sometimes guys who underperform will blossom with a coaching change.
2 - On average it should balance out. You should have overperforming 3-stars that balance out your underperforming 4-stars.
The problem for UF with those rankings which cause their talent level to be "overranked" (In my opinion)... is that a lot of their highest talent are imported failures from other programs... so that "balancing out" doesn't happen. I think it's much less likely to hit with a 4 or 5-star who failed at their first location and transferred in then a 4-5 star you recruit from college... because it's already proven the guy isn't one of those talents who'd be great regardless of who's coaching them.
And you make a great point about the ULL transfers. If UF's talent really was as high as their ranking, those UL transfers wouldn't crack the depth chart. The fact they are is an indication of how low the talent level really is.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:57 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Pandy Fackler
OL boy you sure got you an extreme amount of hate for LSU. What gives?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:00 pm to diddlydawg7
Way too soon to tell.
Both seem to be solid hires at this point though.
Interested to see if Florida can clean up some of their offseason recruiting woes.
Both seem to be solid hires at this point though.
Interested to see if Florida can clean up some of their offseason recruiting woes.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:00 pm to wadewilson
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Well, we had Howard, Manning, and Holstein in the last 2 classes, but generally quarterbacks in Louisiana high schools are the best athletes on their team and they do really well in 7-on-7. Before those guys, Finley was probably the best QB out of Louisiana in about the last 10 years.
Absolutely, and obviously over time things change. And the time I was talking about was a pretty long time ago now, too.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Both seem to be solid hires at this point though.
My biggest question mark was some of the decisions Napier made against Tennessee. Going for two early in the game and things like that. But, Kirby made some pretty questionable decisions his first year, too. (I guess Napier isn't in his first year of coaching, though.)
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:04 pm to 3down10
Conclusion based on LSU having less than 34 scholarship players and multiple coaching vacancies. Kelly took over the worst shite show in football (being the LSU program). Napier did roughly the same, but thus far fields a below average team for the talent he has. Fla could easily be 0-4. LSU could not.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:06 pm to DawgsLife
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My biggest question mark was some of the decisions Napier made against Tennessee.
He has some history of bone headed decisions like that.
He may have to learn to let others do more gameday coaching.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:07 pm to DawginSC
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Both are sub par in my opinion.
Coming into the season with a good gameday coach you'd expect LSU to be 4-0 and UF 3-1. With UF at 2-2 and LSU at 3-1 both have failed at that.
I'd say both are c-minus so far.
By "expect"... I'm using the "Mark Richt as your head coach" measure... not Steve Spurrier or Urban Meyer or Nick Saban or someone incredible. Just a Good "B+" level coach like Richt.
Any time you change an entire coaching staff and have a large influx and departure of transfers, there's going to be some major growing pains.
You have unrealistic expectations.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:49 pm to 3down10
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I wouldn't have given Saban an "A" his first year. I don't think anyone did. We understood it was his first year, and for that reason we gave him a pass, but I don't remember anyone talking about how great things were and that he was doing such a great job.
People who were actually paying real close attention to Alabama his first year would have given him an A+. Saban changed the entire culture at Bama his first year. He put boosters on notice that this was His program. That if they wanted to be a part of the program, their financial support was much needed, but their input was not. Everyone in the Alabama administration galvanized support behind Saban that first year. Saban ran off malcontent players and brought in players that bought into his way of doing things.
This is what you grade a coach on. W/L record is irrelevant. Of course, everyone wants to win, even the head coach, but W/L record is secondary to culture.
Kelly is changing the culture at LSU. That is clear as day. The admin is behind him firmly. The boosters are being put in their proper place. He kicked out players that didn’t buy in. He’s bringing in players who do buy in. Kelly is rebuilding the oline and dline, which is most important. He’s doing an outstanding job so far.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:05 pm to CatfishJohn
Ok maybe they didn't dominate us statistically, but they were in control for the majority of that game. We didn't score over 3 points until 8 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.
All of this goes in to FSU playing better than LSU. Hell if you're an FSU fan, you could easily say they should have won that game 31-17.
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We had two muffed punts and two blocked kicks on whiffed assignments. Their QB made a handful of insane 3rd and long passes that kept drives alive as well.
All of this goes in to FSU playing better than LSU. Hell if you're an FSU fan, you could easily say they should have won that game 31-17.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:12 pm to TexasTiger_08
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We'll be #2 as soon as Toviano announces. Add in Harbor potentially and we'll lock in a top 3 class.
Sure, if everybody else stops recruiting. We expect to get at least a couple more 5* and some highly ranked 4*.
IF LSU adds those two it does not lock in a #2 class. It makes it more possible, but I promise OSU, Alabama and Georgia are not done by a long shot. I suspect Texas (who is throwing a lot of NIL around) and Oklahoma are not done either. That said, I am sure LSU has more than those two on the burner, too.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:14 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:Yep we have a new Troll on the board, it looks like you will take any chance to take a shot at LSU and Louisiana
He's recruiting about as well as LSU always recruits. No better, no worse.
Oh, and I saw the thread where your racial slurring and the two-year ban was exposed. Try to refrain from that.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:21 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Conclusion based on LSU having less than 34 scholarship players and multiple coaching vacancies. Kelly took over the worst shite show in football (being the LSU program). Napier did roughly the same, but thus far fields a below average team for the talent he has. Fla could easily be 0-4. LSU could not.
We've played 3 teams currently ranked in the top 12. Y'all haven't.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:25 pm to DawginSC
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Both are sub par in my opinion.
Coming into the season with a good gameday coach you'd expect LSU to be 4-0 and UF 3-1. With UF at 2-2 and LSU at 3-1 both have failed at that.
I'd say both are c-minus so far.
By "expect"... I'm using the "Mark Richt as your head coach" measure... not Steve Spurrier or Urban Meyer or Nick Saban or someone incredible. Just a Good "B+" level coach like Richt.
You do realize we've played 3 teams currently ranked in the top 12, right? If anything we were supposed to be 1-3 at this point according to all the experts here.
I guess you had Kirby as subpar in year 1, right? 1 point win over Nicholls State and getting blown out by 5-7 OM?
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:26 pm to diddlydawg7
Any coach that uses a QB that’s really a RB is not a good coach.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:26 pm to Tammany Tom
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People who were actually paying real close attention to Alabama his first year would have given him an A+. Saban changed the entire culture at Bama his first year. He put boosters on notice that this was His program. That if they wanted to be a part of the program, their financial support was much needed, but their input was not. Everyone in the Alabama administration galvanized support behind Saban that first year. Saban ran off malcontent players and brought in players that bought into his way of doing things.
This is what you grade a coach on. W/L record is irrelevant. Of course, everyone wants to win, even the head coach, but W/L record is secondary to culture.
Kelly is changing the culture at LSU. That is clear as day. The admin is behind him firmly. The boosters are being put in their proper place. He kicked out players that didn’t buy in. He’s bringing in players who do buy in. Kelly is rebuilding the oline and dline, which is most important. He’s doing an outstanding job so far.
If you think Saban didn't catch a lot of criticism from Alabama fans his first year. He catches criticism while making the playoffs. Again, people gave him a free pass because it was his first year, and he was saying/doing the right things. You have to give a coach a chance despite the results when they come to a school, so in that manner you are right, it's not about wins and losses.
But overall as far as grading him 4 weeks into his first season, you are just putting hindsight and the weight of everything that followed on it.
And btw, I never suggested LSU fans should be unhappy with Kelly. I don't think he was a bad hire, and I don't think you judge a coach overall 4 games into their first season. I'm only making fun of those of you who keep rating Napier low as frick while pretending Kelly can do no wrong. Because there is nothing to support that.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:28 pm to 3down10
LSU fans have some sort of weird obsession with Napier.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:32 pm to Tammany Tom
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You don't grade new coaches on W-L record after 4 games. lol You don't even grade them on W-L record for first season. Do people even remember that Nick Saban went 7-6 his first season at Alabama????
You grade a first year head coach on what he's done to change the culture. How he's changed the mind-set of the current players into a mind-set on doing things fundamentally correct. You grade them on how well they have built a recruiting base and how well they are relating to new recruits and their families. You grade them on how well they have brought together the administration, boosters, coaches, and players all into one agenda, one aligned program. How well were they able to sell players, in positions of need, to come to their school.
Kelly has excelled at all these things. He gets a firm A.
I mean this also applies to Napier yet that hasn't stopped y'all from shitting all over him.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:44 pm to 3down10
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f I had to pick one to hire right now, I'm picking Napier
I’m sure your fellow Alabama fans, as well as everyone with half a brain, are glad that you’re not making head coach decisions.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:45 pm to diddlydawg7
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why is it always LSU and Tennessee fans who have trouble with racism?
Neither of these two teams lost an NFL starting QB bc their fans were calling him the N-word.
So...
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