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re: What explains the difference in performance between 2011 LSU and 2012?
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:35 am to jddawg58
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:35 am to jddawg58
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Does anyone think that the BCSCG shutout loss has had some lingering negative effect?
No that is overblown media BS.
The losses at O-line coupled with Randall leaving and poor reciever play has hurt the tigers alot. Also losing Alferd Blue has hurt more than people think. He had emerged as the top play maker on offense and the best back. We really do not have a go to guy on offense. Randall was that guy last year. All that being said this team is very talanted and will put it all togehter this Saturday to upset the greatest team ever. Geaux Tigers.
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Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:42 am to TigerFanNKaty
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The losses at O-line coupled with Randall leaving and poor reciever play has hurt the tigers alot. Also losing Alferd Blue has hurt more than people think. He had emerged as the top play maker on offense and the best back.
I will buy that the loss of Randle and the Oline have been impactful, but I am disagreeing on Blue. You have 5 RBs, and Hill is better than Blue.
I do think the BCSCG affected how the team, which thought it was invincible, (and had every reason to think so)views itself. It also undermined what Les has accomplished at LSU, and has been caused great conflict among LSU fans.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:46 am to jddawg58
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What explains the fact that the 2012 LSU team has severely underperformed expectations?
Expected starters at one point this year injured, suspended, gone from team:
Faulk - LT (starter last year) ACL
Hurst - RT (starter last year) personal issues
Jones - OLB (starter last year) academics
Mathieu - CB/PR (starter last year) suspension
K. Alexander - OLB (starter this year) broken ankle
Williford - LG (starter this year) injured but is able to go for Bama
Blue - RB (starter this year) knee
Edwards - TE (wasn't the starter but was expected to be the pass catching TE for us this year) academics
The only reason we are 7-1 right now is becasue we had all our depth, but it's a little depleted atm.
We have also played 28 freshman this year, which I believe is the most in the country at this point.
The OL issues is what hurt us the most. Usually a new QB can come in and get his feet wet with a vetreran OL. We were expecting that until Faulk's injury at practice and then it became musical chairs on the OL and it wasn't until the SCar game that we found the starting lineup that works. We've been much better since then.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:46 am to jddawg58
You can think what you want but you are not privy to how the team or people who follow the program faithfully feel or think. And you have not seen enough of Hill to know he is better than Blue. Blue is or was more elusive and obiviously more experienced.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:47 am to jddawg58
Last year everyone wanted to know why Jefferson was starting over Mettenberger. Now we know why 
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:50 am to jddawg58
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Does anyone think that the BCSCG shutout loss has had some lingering negative effect?
On the fan base, yes. On the players, no.
We only have 4 starters on offense that played last year. (Beckham-WR, Lonergan-C, Clement-TE, Ware-RB) Everyone else on the offense is different. On defense it's 6/11 that were starting last year and the defense played fine against Bama in both games.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:54 am to stho381
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it wasn't until the SCar game that we found the starting lineup that works. We've been much better since then.
no flame. Do yall think the new OL is ready? Specifically, do they have the knowledge and experience to make adjustments during the game? Who are the leaders? What are the strengths and weaknesses?
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:55 am to stho381
Prob had something to do with it too. Any time you only return 10 starters, esp if only lineman returns, along with a new QB, you're just not going to be as competitive.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:58 am to GCTiger11
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Luckily for us, we're still in the hunt for the crystal this late in the season
So were we in 2010 going into the Saban Bowl.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 10:59 am to jddawg58
Give it a rest, gentlemen. If you can't identify double digit injuries to people who play in addition to suspensions eroding the team, I'm not sure what can be done for you.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:02 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Who are the leaders?
The leader on the OL will have to be Lonergan-C. He is the only consistent piece.
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What are the strengths and weaknesses?
Good young talent on the right side of the line, but both are freshman. I must say though, that these two both were not projected to start so since the spring they were working side by side and seem to play well together.
Josh D. at LT has come around, but he is a natural LG that was forced to play LT which is why Lemonier gave us some trouble against Auburn.
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do they have the knowledge and experience to make adjustments during the game?
I think LSU's OL play, contrary to what some think on the rant, has been a strong point for LSU under Miles' tenure. I think the guys we have are capable of being very good they just don't have the experience atm, but I don't know if anyone is ready for the adjustments that Bama's defense makes until you get on the field and see it.
The key in this game is the playcalling. LSU has to try to open up a bit, because if LSU allows Bama's safeties to move up into the box consistently, then a blitz will come through and pop Mett.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:03 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Luckily for us, we're still in the hunt for the crystal this late in the season
So were we in 2010 going into the Saban Bowl.
2010 Alabama was driven by personal agendas and lacked leadership. Too many players were trying to get theirs and lost the team focus. Could Lsu's great success during the regular season of 2011 have caused a similar result?
Obviously, at least some former team members put themselves before the team (Mathieu).
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:06 am to stho381
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I will buy that the loss of Randle and the Oline have been impactful, but I am disagreeing on Blue. You have 5 RBs, and Hill is better than Blue.
Although we are loaded at the RB position the lost of Blue was huge! He was a complete back, very very good and was posed for a really great year. Yes we have backs that have stepped up, but you never know what could have been.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:11 am to jddawg58
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I am disagreeing on Blue. You have 5 RBs, and Hill is better than Blue
noone knew that until SCar.....most of the negativity regarding LSU is for their performances before that game.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:11 am to stho381
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The key in this game is the playcalling. LSU has to try to open up a bit, because if LSU allows Bama's safeties to move up into the box consistently, then a blitz will come through and pop Mett.
i agree. I think thats why having a bye week last week was very helpful for LSU. They needed a week to allow all of those youngs guys to learn a little bit more of the playbook and add some wrinkles to the things they already know. Its still gonna be a big challenge to identify the plethora of Bama defensive schemes, but that coaching during the off week will be important.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:39 am to jddawg58
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What explains the difference in performance between 2011 LSU and 2012?
How is this team dramatically different than last year? Seriously -- look back on the threads started by non-LSU fans on this site last year (and many LSU fans agreed) -- everyone and their momma's thought LSU was over-rated because they couldn't pass the damn ball.
The offense is the same this year as last -- the passing game is struggling and the wins are not pretty.
The defense is still top-tier. However, LSU has not gotten the game-changing turn-overs that it got last year. LSU played many short-field possessions last year due to great defense and special teams play. Those areas have suffered a bit this year. The A&M game was the first game this season where the Defense played with the 'swagger' of last year. And it showed in the turn-over margin.
All in all -- this team isn't much different than last year.
The LSU team is still good enough to allow Alabama to throw away a win.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:42 am to jddawg58
IMO all of the above. We also only have 6 starters from last year. We went from a veteran team to one of the youngest very quickly due to injuries and suspensions.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 11:58 am to jddawg58
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jddawg58
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In 2011, LSU played a much more difficult schedule and dominated every team on it except for Alabama. The Tigers played with swagger and were ruthlessly efficient. Their defense was suffocating, special teams were full of explosive plays, and the offense efficiently took advantage of every short field.
Fast forward to 2012, and LSU looks like a shell of its former self. It played a 1-7 AU team to a draw, narrowly escaping with a 12-10 victory.
In its first real legitimate road test, the Tigers lost to FL who played a more physical game with 25 straight rushes for a 14-6 win.
LSU beats an explosive A&M team 24-19, coming from behind after being the beneficiary of 4 A&M turnovers.
What explains the fact that the 2012 LSU team has severely underperformed expectations?
Is it that attrition from suspensions, academics and injuries could not be overcome.
Is it mainly an ineffective offense, due to Oline injuries, dropped passes, below average QB play and ineffective play calling.
Is it a lack of team chemistry and/or leadership?
Or are you just lying in wait, like a snake in the weeds, waiting to resurrect your season and dash the NC hopes of an undefeated Alabama.
In my honest opinion? Two players: Chris Faulk & Rueben Randle.
Faulk's injury caused all of this shuffling on the OL and we haven't been able to protect a guy who is obviously developing much more undiscernably at this point. Protection issues have hampered his comfort levels in the pocket. But more so than that...
Rueben Randle's departure for the NFL has exposed a bunch of #2 & #3 receivers on this roster without any true #1's.
We don't do an efficient enough job of protecting Mett with our OL concerns so we go max-protect. This gives him two routes on obvious passing downs where we use a deep drop.
Most of those are read-routes. If you get re-routed and/or can't use speed to beat press man vertically, the routes are predictably shorter in nature & to the edge. Those routes getting cut-off are hard things to overcome.
It also leads to Mett getting passes batted down by DL & especially DE's.
So for me, it boils down to the issues with the OL-specifically Chris Faulk (because if Hurst still goes off the reservation on the Right, I think we're still fine with a back or TE to chip in multi-receiver sets for pass-pro)-and the issue with not having an NFL-caliber WR that can beat press-man and is tough enough to beat the jam and redirect off the line.
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:12 pm to GFunk
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Rueben Randle's departure for the NFL has exposed a bunch of #2 & #3 receivers on this roster without any true #1's.
I was under the impression that everyone thought that Beckham and Landry were waiting for Randle to leave so that they could be the guy.
LT is usually the second most important offensive position behind QB and just ahead of C.
I think the problems are much deeper than the offensive line. I don't think the defense creates turnovers like last year's defense did. I think Wing has been average and last year he was a huge weapon. LSU misses Mo and Tyran more than anyone imagined.
Les doesn't trust Mett with the game. LSU play calling has, in an effort to take pressure off of Mett, actually put more pressure on him. Lsu's lack of creativity offensively, not using TEs, not throwing screens, relying too much on the run, makes the offense predictable and defensible.
Bama did not flourish until Nick trusted A.J. He had a lot of easy throws in the BCSCG that LSU was not anticipating on first down.
This post was edited on 10/31/12 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 10/31/12 at 12:31 pm to EvilEmpire
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Then they lost badger
I think this has a little something to do with it. The guy mad plays constantly and was always around the football. But in the end would rather hit the ganja
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