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re: What about it Jalen Hurts graduates in December and transfers to Auburn
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:09 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:09 am to Irons Puppet
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that lead them to back to back National Invitational Playoff Tournament Championship Game apperances.
That is a false statement. You seem like a reasonably intelligent dude and fan of the game so you should understand this. The Bama defense led us to those playoff appearances and the offense scored enough points despite not having a passing game. We can beat most of America with nothing more than smash mouth ball from the 80's using five star RB's. Hurts second leading receiver last year was a backup RB.
You either didn't watch any of our games last year or you just are blinded by your bias against Alabama to see it or admit it. I could post his stats from every big game starting with Florida in Atlanta in 2016 and clearly show you downright horrible stats for a quarterback on any team. He had way, way, way, way too much talent around him to be that inept. He had an elite running game to lean on too and a defense to bail him out if he fricked up. I ain't making it up bro. Look up the stats or rewatch the last two iron bowls.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:28 am to Commander Data
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hat is a false statement. You seem like a reasonably intelligent dude and fan of the game so you should understand this. The Bama defense led us to those playoff appearances and the offense scored enough points despite not having a passing game. We can beat most of America with nothing more than smash mouth ball from the 80's using five star RB's. Hurts second leading receiver last year was a backup RB.
You either didn't watch any of our games last year or you just are blinded by your bias against Alabama to see it or admit it. I could post his stats from every big game starting with Florida in Atlanta in 2016 and clearly show you downright horrible stats for a quarterback on any team. He had way, way, way, way too much talent to be that inept. He had an elite running game to lean on too and a defense to bail him out if he fricked up. I ain't making it up bro. Look up the stats or rewatch the last two it on bowls.
I also know that the Offense is built to support the Defense under Saban. He will trade passing yards for ball controll and reducing the risk of tournovers. He understood that the best Defense can get worn down under the HUNH Offenses that a lot of teams are running (Clemson, AU, Ole Miss). Hurts was Saban's perfect QB. A QB that didn't turn the ball over (10 INT vs 40 TDS), could run the ball to compensate for poor OL protection. He just told the fans to frick themselves most of last year.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:32 am to Irons Puppet
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Hurts was Saban's perfect QB.
You must be on dope. Jalen Hurts is noboby's perfect quarterback.
If Jalen Hurts was Saban's perfect quarterback, why did he replace him with Tua Tagovailoa 2nd half of the title game? Moreover, why did Saban even have to replace his "perfect quarterback"?
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:36 am to Commander Data
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A Saban team and defense with a Watson or Mariotta type at quarterback isn't really fair to the rest of you guys.
Sigh. This is the kind of shite other teams remember and project to "all bama fans."
Jesus jumped up Christ. He had a great half of football and has a lot of upside...but can we just wait and see before we crown UA 2018 as the greatest offense in the history of sport?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:51 am to Irons Puppet
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Defense can get worn down under the HUNH Offenses
You know what really wears down a defense? When your offense goes three and out for a whole quarter. Ask our 2016 defense that dominated Clemson for three quarters then had to play over one hundred plays and ran out of gas at the end only to lose.
Last year against Auburn was the same thing. The defense did ok. Your offense was just playing great football and they earned those 26 points. Your offense was effective because of the "balance". We couldn't put eight or nine guys in the box to stop your running game without Stidham burning us through the air. Take away Stidham and replace him with a guy that can't make reads or throw the ball and Saban will shut your offense down even in Jordan Hare. As an Auburn fan you should understand this better than most fans because you have recently been in the same boat.
I know you want to be right but you aren't. You may be right about Tua not being in the same class as Watson and Mariotta. You definitely are right about Saban sticking with Hurts because of his conservative approach to the game and his fear of turnovers. You are wrong about him being 26-2 as a starter. Those games were won despite his poor play and because we have lots of talent around him. Tua will take it from here and Jalen will transfer.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:27 am to Commander Data
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You know what really wears down a defense? When your offense goes three and out for a whole quarter. Ask our 2016 defense that dominated Clemson for three quarters then had to play over one hundred plays and ran out of gas at the end only to lose.
We all know that Watson had nothing to do with making Bama's D look bad.
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Last year against Auburn was the same thing. The defense did ok. Your offense was just playing great football and they earned those 26 points. Your offense was effective because of the "balance". We couldn't put eight or nine guys in the box to stop your running game without Stidham burning us through the air. Take away Stidham and replace him with a guy that can't make reads or throw the ball and Saban will shut your offense down even in Jordan Hare. As an Auburn fan you should understand this better than most fans because you have recently been in the same boat.
That is true with any team. I have been saying it for years, the SEC hasn't had very many good QBs. Those who have had one have made it hard on Saban.
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You are wrong about him being 26-2 as a starter. Those games were won despite his poor play and because we have lots of talent around him. Tua will take it from here and Jalen will transfer.
I saw it totally different. I think they won those games because of Hurts. I thought their RBs benefited greatly by having him as a threat. Many times Ds would shut down the other backs and he would break the game open.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:45 am to Irons Puppet
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We all know that Watson had nothing to do with making Bama's D look bad.
The offense deserved more blame then the defense. The defense held Clemson to 7 points through 2.5 quarters, forced them to punt more times then they had in 2 years, and held their offense to the 2nd lowest YPP of the season. Meanwhile the offense went 3-and-out nine times in a row, was 0-12 of 3rd down at one point, had negative yards on both drives starting inside Clemson territory (thanks to turnovers forced by Alabama’s D), had 6 drives that were less then one minute, and only 2 drives beyond 6 plays.
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I saw it totally different. I think they won those games because of Hurts. I thought their RBs benefited greatly by having him as a threat.
No they didn’t. If you haven’t noticed most of Bama’s wins are blowouts in which the opposing team is usually held to a small number of points. As usual they won those games because of the defense. The defense and ST even scored 14 TDs of their own in 2016. There’s maybe 4 games in which Bama might have not won without Hurts. But who knows?
You didn’t watch every single snap that Hurts took. You watched a couple of games and highlights and look at his stats and then try to act like you can accurately judge him.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:43 am to Irons Puppet
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I think they won those games because of Hurts. I thought their RBs benefited greatly by having him as a threat. Many times Ds would shut down the other backs and he would break the game open.
Dude, we didn't need a running quarterback to enhance our running game. We have good offensive lines and multiple 5 star backs every year. We are gonna run the ball effectively on almost everybody even if they stack the box. It doesn't work as well against LSU, Auburn or Clemson. Had we been able to just gain a first down or two through the air in 2016 we win the ship.
Regardless, you are entitled to your opinion. I personally feel like we are gonna upgrade at quarterback in a big way. I think the competition is already over despite Tua being hurt in spring and fall camp not even started yet. Tua won the team over last year even before he saved the season against Georgia. Hurts may win the job and make me eat my words like the fool that I am but I would be shocked.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:56 am to Irons Puppet
Irons so badly wants everyone to believe hurts was a good passing qb.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:57 am to Commander Data
Bo Scarbough sure struggle at times. Hell, how many rushing yards did the RBs have against LSU and AU?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:58 am to Irons Puppet
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Bo Scarbough sure struggle at times. Hell, how many rushing yards did the RBs have against LSU and AU?
You may actually be starting to get it. Our offense the last 2 years has struggled against nearly every good defense because we didn't have a proficient intermediate and downfield passing game.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:11 pm to Irons Puppet
Bo struggled running against everybody last year. I thought he was our least effective back. I don't remember exact yardage against those teams but we only ran for 3 yards per carry against LSU and Auburn shut down our running game too.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:14 pm to Commander Data
Not refuting that, but even good backs tend to struggle when the defense knows there isn't a proficient passing game, so they concentrate on the running game. Give Hurts a little pressure and his best play was to roll right, out of the pocket, and throw out of bounds.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:35 pm to John Milner
quote:To spark the rest of the team before they started quiting and QBs have off days that hurt the rest of the team. Coaches put in lesser QBs all the time to try a change up.
If Jalen Hurts was Saban's perfect quarterback, why did he replace him with Tua Tagovailoa 2nd half of the title game? Moreover, why did Saban even have to replace his "perfect quarterback"?
If Saban thought Tua was so much better like all you Bama fans believe then he would have been the starter. The fact he wasn't and hurts was shows Saban doesn't agree with yall. He doesn't play to lose by playing his worst players all year.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:39 pm to Rabern57
Hurts had an “off” day in every big game he’s played in his career.
He had no reason to bench Hurts because we were winning.
You know what I don’t get? Why don’t you and Iron just let Bama fans believe the hype? Wouldn’t you want Bama fans to be incredibly disappointed if Tua doesn’t live up to it like you guys (well you specifically because Iron is arguing just cause) believe he won’t? Instead you’re trying to convince Bama fans to lower their expectations which would result in them not being as disappointed.
He had no reason to bench Hurts because we were winning.
You know what I don’t get? Why don’t you and Iron just let Bama fans believe the hype? Wouldn’t you want Bama fans to be incredibly disappointed if Tua doesn’t live up to it like you guys (well you specifically because Iron is arguing just cause) believe he won’t? Instead you’re trying to convince Bama fans to lower their expectations which would result in them not being as disappointed.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:40 pm to djsdawg
Because he loves arguing for the sake of arguing especially when it comes to Bama or UGA
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:For starters I talk football because that's what this board is and no one else here cares as much about football as Bama fans.
You know what I don’t get? Why don’t you and Iron just let Bama fans believe the hype? Wouldn’t you want Bama fans to be incredibly disappointed if Tua doesn’t live up to it like you guys (well you specifically because Iron is arguing just cause) believe he won’t? Instead you’re trying to convince Bama fans to lower their expectations which would result in them not being as disappointed.
Also again I have never said that Tua wasn't good. I said he hasn't played enough, especially as a starter, to say how good he will be. From what numbers we have seen he isn't much if any ahead of Hurts playing garbage time vs Hurts numbers starting.
I know that no matter what anyone says or how dumb people make Bama fans look they are still going to believe what they tell each other. They just gang up over here on posts they don't like and downvote and then run to the Bama board when they need reassuring. They call Saban the GOAT HC but yet say he doesn't have a clue what hes doing playing Hurts over Tua when Tua is a million times better. He sees them in practice and knows way more about the 2 than anyone on the board does.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:15 pm to Rabern57
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Also again I have never said that Tua wasn't good. I said he hasn't played enough, especially as a starter, to say how good he will be.
Y'all got me agreeing with a barner.
I hope Tua gets the job. I believe he's the best QB we have. I also believe Saban felt like we could win without him--that Jalen was the "safer" pick. Tua seemed to confirm that with his picks and ill advised passes, right up to and through the NC game.
Thing is, Saban adapted--mid game. Might as well go with the gunslinger at 13-0, and take the good (ball distribution) with the bad (increased turnovers).
Think he'll make that same calculus in game one? Who knows. But who am I to doubt whatever decision he makes? He has more FB IQ in his skin tag than me or any of you ever will.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:17 pm to Rabern57
I can see where you are coming from. I myself am not going to buy Tua’s insane hype unless I see it for several games. I was just a little confused to your reasoning.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 2:27 pm to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
quote:You are full of hot air. Saban never told the fans anything. The fans supported Hurts last year. Yes, many fans were becoming frustrated with Jalen in the 2nd half of the year, knowing that Tua was a better passer, having seen it in garbage time and hearing from practice observers. But most fans held their tongue because Jalen was 24-1 until the AU game and they trust Saban's judgment. So, you could fall back on the "he's a winner" thought. But after the 2nd loss, which was mostly on the offense and the lack of a passing threat, most fans were willing to entertain the thought that Tua should play in meaningful time. Tua tore it up in post season practice. Saban said that they were planning to play him some going into the Clemson game, but the way the game developed (Clemson couldn't move the ball and Bama got short fields.) that he didn't go to him. They had planned on the distinct possibility of using Tua vs UGA.
He just told the fans to frick themselves most of last year.
Jalen is not the "perfect Saban QB". He wants to play a pro-set with a QB who is a distributor. Jalen is not that. He does not even run the RPOs well, often making bad decisions on when to keep vs handoff. The WRs and RBs, though they respect and like Jalen personally and as a leader, were very frustrated with him because his inclination is to keep the ball not handoff or throw. Not selfishness, it's just been bred in him.
Look at all of the QBs Bama has recruited the past 2 years. They are all either drop-back passers or dual threats who are primarily passers first. (Hatcher, Tulia who is even less athletic than Tua, Tyson) Mac Jones is likely the 2nd best QB on the roster, though Saban will unlikely move him above Jalen.
You are wrong about the OL. They are decent in pass-pro, Jalen has little pocket presence and usually does not get rid of the ball quickly if at all. Tua rarely got sacked. He used the pocket provided by the OL and got rid of the ball on time most of the time. The sack in OT was not on the OL. Tua held the ball for 5 seconds and should have thrown the ball away or to someone.
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