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re: Vol assaults AR fans post-game

Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61927 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:42 pm to
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And just how in the hell do you propose to stop a few thousand people at once?


That's not my problem. It is the schools.
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The school will have to pay the fine, not the participants.

Exactly. So tell me. Do you use that $100.000 to pay for more security, or do you pay the fine?
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:43 pm to
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This happened after the game. I'm amazed at how many people can't seem to make the distinction.



So the minute the clock hits zero the athletes are supposed to magically teleport themselves to the locker room? They have every right to a clear and safe path to their locker room and should be able to shake hands with the opponents they just competed against the last 4 hours.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
22450 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:43 pm to
I'm not surprised that multiple Alabama fans are saying that sorority girls are getting what they deserve if a player punches them for being on the field. Not one bit surprised.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
21270 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:45 pm to
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My guess is the only thing that finally stops it is a player getting seriously injured on the final play and medical staff unable to attend to him or unaware he is injured while he helplessly lays on the field with no ability to protect himself. Imagine a serious head/neck injury with a 10-15 min response delay and fans running into the player on the ground.


It is amazing that so many here are unable to grasp why it is a bad idea. From that article I linked.

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Cody Worsham, an LSU athletics spokesperson, said the football team’s training staff has had to tend to multiple injuries in field storming incidents. At Ole Miss last weekend, LSU staff were delayed in treating an injured player who needed to be helped off the field, he added.

Although the risks of such celebrations are obvious, some have been encouraged.

After LSU was fined $100,000 for rushing the field after upsetting Georgia in 2018, U.S. Rep. Garret Graves attempted to crowdfund the money, raising more than $17,000.
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
Fort Smith
Member since Nov 2009
20557 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:46 pm to
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I'm not surprised that multiple Alabama fans are saying that sorority girls are getting what they deserve if a player punches them for being on the field. Not one bit surprised.



Bama fans are the dumbest of the dumb in the SEC, mainly because the vast majority of them never attended college.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61927 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:46 pm to
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It will be interesting to see what the SEC will do. They keep stiffening the penalty and it keeps happening. It will be interesting to see if they really want it to stop like they say.


Honestly? I think the SEC AND the schools chalk it up to college students celebrating and having fun, and really don't care. They want to appear to care, but they don't.

But, players have to learn they cannot put their hands on fans unless the fans put their hands on them first. I get it. Emotions are running high. The players are mad. The players know they are going to get chewed out next week at practice and they are aggravated, then some kid that has no idea of what the players go through so they can play walks or runs up to them talking trash, so they lash out. I get it. But you can't do that on the street, and you can't so that on the field after a game.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7517 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:46 pm to
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They have every right to a clear and safe path to their locker room

You are a bleeding vagina if you are going to frame this situation as unsafe for the SEC DT.

The only people whose safety was compromised in that video were the two college kids who got assaulted.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20673 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:47 pm to
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It will be interesting to see if they really want it to stop like they say.


Only way to stop it is to mandate stadiums build large unscalable fencing around the field. Are we really going to change the landscape of the in-stadium viewing experience because of a few dumbasses?

Never in the history of college football has rushing the field been a danger to the opposing players or coaches. Can someone provide a link to a story where opposing fans harmed anyone?

The problem is keeping players under control. That’s on them to not assault people running to have a good time.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
17885 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61927 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:50 pm to
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How many times does it need to be said that thousands of drunk emotional fans don't belong on the field of play with angry athletes emotionally coming off a loss trying to get back to their locker room?


They shouldn't be. Nobody is arguing they should be on the field. But the players can't attack students if they are on the field. They can't attack people on the street or on the field.

If that player walked into a classroom on Monday morning and some idiot said, "Y'all suck!" the player could not attack the kid, could he? No. It's called self control.

I actually had a student, or two complaining about the team to me before class one day after a particularly bad loss. Sometimes you just have to ignore them.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61927 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:53 pm to
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How? The athlete is on the field of play

It ceases to be a field of play once the game ends. It is simply a football field.

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standing his ground

Standing his ground from what? A fan walking around?

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mob charging at him.

No mob was charging at him. He attacked them, they did not attack him.

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invades the personal space of the athlete.

So, if someone stands closer than I like while having a conversation it is ok for me to push them down?
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14994 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:54 pm to
If you're going to be a dirty program at least win your games
Posted by BigDickRick16
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2023
2591 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:54 pm to
Wrong! Your fan grabbed a Tennessee player from behind by the neck! He is lucky that’s all he got!
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
21270 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:54 pm to
Under this new policy the third time a school does it and each subsequent time will cost them $500,000. That is not an insignificant amount of money. It will be interesting if they tweek ir or make it harsher in the off season.

The fear is a player OR a fan will have a serious injury, and they or their family sue the shite out of everyone involved, and get a sympathetic jury. If that happens, $500,000 may seem like pocket change.

If a school loses a $25 million judgement I bet that school will figure out how to keep the fans off the field.
Posted by BigDickRick16
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2023
2591 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Your right, the fan needs assault charges pressed on him
Posted by CajunVoodoo
Member since Oct 2021
108 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:55 pm to
Play stupid games win stupid prizes , there is a reason a fine are issued to universities for going on to the field . You are not entitled to run on the field period. Run past an opposing team that lost in the heat of the moment and be a jackass you get what you deserve . Don’t feel bad for the idiots running through any of Tennessee players and bumping into them and talking shite .

The fans if anything should be arrested in fact here are the rules and laws “access to competition areas shall be limited to participating student-athletes, coaches, officials, support personnel and properly-credentialed individuals at all times. For the safety of participants and spectators alike, at no time before, during or after a contest shall spectators be permitted to enter the competition area. It is the responsibility of each member institution to implement procedures to ensure compliance with this policy”
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 12:57 pm
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:56 pm to
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The college kids are just out there living their lives and being college kids.


Aren't the athletes also college kids, being college kids, living their lives?

Let's say I am at my office just trying to do my job and getting ready to leave for the day at 5. As I am walking down the hallway towards the door 100 protesters suddenly storm in and get in my face trying to push their way by me. I can't push someone out of my way in that case? I am exactly where I am supposed to be, they are trespassing and rushing at me. Why does the athlete on his field of play not have any rights?
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
8153 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 12:58 pm to
Please specify what part of the Arkansas Criminal Code upon which you are relying that provides this player has a defense to crime. You can’t do so? That’s what I figured. Thanks.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7517 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:00 pm to
One video has nothing to do with the other… the guy and girl who got pushed down was doing literally nothing but navigating through a crowd.

This thread isn’t about field storming, it’s about this player being responsible for his actions.

If they find the fan who touched the UT player in the other vid, I’m all for holding him responsible as well.

Just because you think field storming should not happen does not excuse this UT player laying hands on a random person purely out of personal frustration over losing a football game.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61927 posts
Posted on 10/6/24 at 1:00 pm to
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So the minute the clock hits zero the athletes are supposed to magically teleport themselves to the locker room?

No. But the second the clock hits 00:00 the players have to stop hitting people. Crap, once a play is over, if a player hits another player they get a 15 yard penalty. they understand that. They should be capable of understanding the difference between when a game is being played and when it is over. Or they should tell the difference between a player from the other team and a fan.

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They have every right to a clear and safe path to their locker room and should be able to shake hands with the opponents they just competed against the last 4 hours.

Sure they should. No argument. But they also can't attack fans.

I played football for a lot of years, and had fans storming the field....not once did I attack the fans.

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