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USC v LSU the 2003 debate solved

Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:04 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:04 pm
Without a doubt he is right.

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Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:07 pm to
I’m going with Saban over Carroll
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:12 pm to
There was a system put in place to crown a champion before the start of the 2003 season. The system crowned LSU the champion. That's really all there is to it. I agree that it should have been LSU vs USC though.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:14 pm to
USC fans don't travel well (outside of the Rose Bowl obviously), I don't think they would've handled the dome crowd well. That 90% OSU crowd at the 2002-3 Fiesta Bowl definitely affected Miami
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 6:22 pm
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:29 pm to
Yeah, I don’t know how Oklahoma got into the BCS game after getting blown out by Kansas State. Should have been LSU USC. In the end it was a split national championship. USC kept the AP and LSU won the BCS
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:17 pm to
This, like most other things, is a controversy because the media likes to hype and create compelling stories, and they tend to play favorites. It's all geared toward getting more viewers.

2003 was Oklahoma, the greatest team of all time. Heisman winner, etc. Like the article said, they had an overwhelming advantage going into the championship game, they could afford a loss.
And sure, they were undefeated and the other two weren't, at that time.

But, come on now. We talk about strength of schedule; they played 4 ranked teams in the regular season, same as LSU. Next highest ranked was Texas at 11, then Ok State, Kansas State (who kicked their arse) and Mizzou (at 24, barely ranked). They had Fresno State and North Texas on the schedule. And that, somehow, gives them an insurmountable lead?
LSU on the other hand also played 4 ranked teams, including twice against a Georgia team in the top 10 (#5 for the SEC Championship, in Atlanta... Georgia).

Hey, maybe drop the team lower than #3 after they get their doors blown off by a 3 loss K State team (who btw finished with 4 losses after also losing their bowl), and we get the game we SHOULD have seen- LSU vs USC. But that would mean AP and media not doubling down on their year-long story of how Oklahoma was GREATEST EVER.
Posted by ChadThundercock
Germany
Member since Mar 2020
554 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:28 pm to
They showed up pretty well when they came to Auburn in 2003. Might have been because it was a season opener though.
Posted by purpgoldblood
stick
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:50 pm to
USC dodged 03 LSU(that year’s national champion) and 04 undefeated Auburn. Their mark on modern college football history could have looked very different.
Current playoff system way better than that BS
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

USC fans don't travel well (outside of the Rose Bowl obviously), I don't think they would've handled the dome crowd well.


Those USC teams were amazing in big games away from home. When they lost under Carroll, it was either to a dogshit team that they played down to, or it was to Vince Young being Jesus in cleats.

They would have rather played LSU in the Sugar Bowl than the Rose Bowl.
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
12709 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:00 pm to
We would have beaten USC in 2003. LSU was the best team in the nation. We also have the only crystal football from that season as well. Just compare the schedule and scores, then look at who they got beaten by and who LSU lost to. That will tell u all u need to know.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:01 pm to
At least LSU fans know what it is like to debate split titles from the past. It sucks BTW.
Posted by Dr Rosenrosen
Member since May 2006
3336 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:09 pm to
There were three split titles in the 1990s. As controversial as 2003 was, it really didn't feel strange at the time. It was bound to happen at some point in the BCS era. LSU got the more important title, but we needed the controversy to get us the Playoff.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51566 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:11 pm to
Oh boy
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51566 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

USC dodged 03 LSU(that year’s national champion) and 04 undefeated Auburn. Their mark on modern college football history could have looked very different.


Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93685 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:18 pm to
Obviously I have a natural bias for LSU, but I think our defense was just too much for USC in '03. But, no one was beating that '04 team that night. That's one of the most complete performances that you'll see.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

They would have rather played LSU in the Sugar Bowl than the Rose Bowl.

/doubt They would've had like 5% of the crowd. They definitely would have been rattled in that atmosphere.

Carroll was 3-1 in Rose Bowls, the one loss to Vince Young and Texas when like half of SC's defense was out. Their three wins were blowouts
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3903 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

Their mark on modern college football history could have looked very different.


They have a National Championship they didn't actually win in 2003 - because they didn't actually play in the NC game, a National Championship they didn't actually win in 2004 because it got taken away from them for cheating, and a National Championship they didn't actually win in 2005 because they lost the NC game.

So, for all of the "dynasty" chest thumping, they haven't won a NC since the '70s. Their mark on college football is basically West Coast Georgia. Their cheating coach went to the NFL while the getting was good and they haven't recovered a decade later. The deep throating that USC, Texas, and Notre Dame get each and every year is worse than any perceived "SEC bias" because the SEC actually fricking puts their money where their mouth is more often than not.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:39 pm to
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Just compare the schedule and scores, then look at who they got beaten by and who LSU lost to


This is not a good way to phrase your argument. USC lost in triple OT on the road against a red hot Aaron Rodgers. LSU lost at home to Ron Zook and didn't score an offensive touchdown.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3903 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

At least LSU fans know what it is like to debate split titles from the past. It sucks BTW.


I almost think this is a hook to get Arkansas fans to fight with you, lol.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3903 posts
Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

It was bound to happen at some point in the BCS era. LSU got the more important title, but we needed the controversy to get us the Playoff.


I agree, but there was also controversy just two years earlier in 2001 when Nebraska snuck into the NC game the exact same way Oklahoma did - and got promptly obliterated by a historically dominant Miami team. The Big 12 got some serious preferential treatment in the BCS days, thanks to Nebraska and Oklahoma being red hot off of recent glory days. They both failed to deliver the goods when given the chance. It's frustrating that the BCS didn't learn a lesson from 2001. The bullshite from '03 could have been entirely avoided with a slight bit of forethought and critical thinking.

We also can't discount the events of the 2011 season, which I believe was the real catalyst for bringing about the playoff.
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