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re: UMass player that got smoked says A&M Commandant is lying
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:12 pm to aTm boy
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:12 pm to aTm boy
quote:As a retired Army officer, here are my concerns.
I would say you are right, I would be embarrassed after such an incident but they are young and doing what they were told.
The crew of the cannon are wearing appropriate hearing protection. They are well aware of (as a minimum) the hearing hazard.
When we do safety investigations on incidents like this, we look at hazard mitigation. I feel like what the Commandant outlined was true and correct. But look carefully at the sign in the article that EKG linked;
I understand that the area is marked but if (a big if) that is the only type of sign then you are sending the wrong message that can be easily misunderstood by someone who is not familiar with the pre-game activities at Kyle Field. Both sides can legitimately say they acted appropriately with the information they had.
Bottom line, the crew acted in accordance with the pre-game activities. The team entered the field and they fired with no malice or intent to harm. But that does not mean that their actions were not at least partly negligent and possibly reckless. Despite all of the protestations to the contrary, professional Soldiers are well aware of the dangers of any type of weapon they are handling.
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Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The summer is that part of the year when it gets hot and the days are long.
Funny guy.
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Like Vandy fans? USC fans? State fans? Kentucky fans?
Ahhh … now I get it.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:14 pm to EKG
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Who cares? Doesn’t effect anyone on this board? Didn’t LSU steal from a children’s hospital? Sheeeesh
Melt boomer
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:18 pm to AGGIES
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Where is the common sense? Do you need to warn people not to stand in front of a cannon?
Where is the common sense? Do you need to warn people not to fire a cannon while someone is kneeling in front of it?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:18 pm to aTm boy
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Can you prove this? Word around College Station is they were warned and that was validated by eyewitnesses.
Yes, I validated it.
Can you prove what you are saying?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No, you're trying to put A&M fans up there with fans of teams that have actually won shite and thus have earned the right to talk shite.
Thinking that you have to "earn" the right to talk shite on a shite-talk board is absurd. The amount of personal identity some of y'all derive from kids wearing the same colors as you while playing a game is truly sad.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:20 pm to AGGIES
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Where is the common sense? Do you need to warn people not to stand in front of a cannon?
So you're telling me a football player standing on a football field about to play a football game needs to worry about accidentally standing in front of a cannon?
How stupid does that sound?
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:20 pm to EKG
If the sign says cannon fires after Aggie touchdowns I understand why he thought he would be safe
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
Does it matter if they told him or not? The fact is the players were still there. You dont get to potentially cause someone harm just because you told them to move. Sorry your honor i asked the pedestrian to please move when he didnt i proceeded to run my car over him. Dont see that holding up.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:22 pm to hookem2522
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The SEC SHOULD ban Aggy from the Conference.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:22 pm to LouisvilleKat
quote:Correct.
If the sign says cannon fires after Aggie touchdowns I understand why he thought he would be safe
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:22 pm to EKG
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now I get it.
Smarter than your average ag.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:23 pm to Wolfhound45
Fair points all, Wolfhound45.
As you point out, the signs may not have been as effective as they should’ve been (see circled tweet):
My gut feeling: The team entrance firing was just implemented mid-season this year, and pre-game procedures clearly weren’t as tightly locked down as they should’ve been (i.e., far more unstructured activity on the field pre-game vs. structured in-game activity).
You can bet your arse it won’t happen again.
I’ve more than said my peace on this issue. Minds won’t be changed; such is life.
As you point out, the signs may not have been as effective as they should’ve been (see circled tweet):
My gut feeling: The team entrance firing was just implemented mid-season this year, and pre-game procedures clearly weren’t as tightly locked down as they should’ve been (i.e., far more unstructured activity on the field pre-game vs. structured in-game activity).
You can bet your arse it won’t happen again.
I’ve more than said my peace on this issue. Minds won’t be changed; such is life.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:24 pm to EKG
quote:The insane nature of tSECRant. I will miss it
Minds won’t be changed; such is life.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:26 pm to Krampus
As for the cannon. There was NO EXCUSE for firing while people were anywhere in the vicinity of the blast area.
I generally support the corps, and appreciate the history of A&M. But they do have a track record of getting so wrapped up in their own traditions that they cannot see the forest for the trees, and end up living in a time-warp bubble, essentially detached from present-day reality.
That is the root cause of what I see here. And in the context of what happened, it is totally unacceptable. No tradition or gameday procedure is ever sacred enough to risk physical harm to anyone, let alone unaware visitors, to stay "on schedule".
If players are the vicinity of the business end of a cannon when the cannon is supposed to be fired, guess what? The cannon isn't getting fired at that moment. This is basic common sense, and unfortunately the corps has a history of eschewing it, in favor of preserving tradition, and that is exactly what happened yesterday.
Sadly, the cannon needs to go, this isn't a mistake that gets a do-over. And the cadets who fired it, and the corps leadership who built a culture that allowed students to actually think it was ok to fire at that moment all need to be held accountable.
I generally support the corps, and appreciate the history of A&M. But they do have a track record of getting so wrapped up in their own traditions that they cannot see the forest for the trees, and end up living in a time-warp bubble, essentially detached from present-day reality.
That is the root cause of what I see here. And in the context of what happened, it is totally unacceptable. No tradition or gameday procedure is ever sacred enough to risk physical harm to anyone, let alone unaware visitors, to stay "on schedule".
If players are the vicinity of the business end of a cannon when the cannon is supposed to be fired, guess what? The cannon isn't getting fired at that moment. This is basic common sense, and unfortunately the corps has a history of eschewing it, in favor of preserving tradition, and that is exactly what happened yesterday.
Sadly, the cannon needs to go, this isn't a mistake that gets a do-over. And the cadets who fired it, and the corps leadership who built a culture that allowed students to actually think it was ok to fire at that moment all need to be held accountable.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:26 pm to EKG
The commandant doesn’t even know how to spell “cannon.”
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:28 pm to Krampus
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Thinking that you have to "earn" the right to talk shite on a shite-talk board is absurd.
Context, you stupid aggie.
We believe the player who got shot at over some ag inspector general because ags have a reputation on this board to do nothing but talk shite. You certainly have the right to talk shite, it's just that you don't seem to want to live with the consequences of no one ever believing anything you say. General Ag says they were issued a warning? Yeah, I believe that about as much as I believe Fisher will bring any kind of championship to College Station.
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The amount of personal identity some of y'all derive from kids wearing the same colors as you while playing a game is truly sad.
This coming from a member of a cult is truly remarkable.
Self awareness, get some.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:29 pm to civiltiger07
Aggy lying about this like they lied and said they didn't send Sumlin a letter calling him the N-word and death threats.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:31 pm to Krampus
quote:This is found in any organization that values history and tradition. It happens. A part of life (fortunately there was no tragic loss of life or limb involved).
As for the canon. There was NO EXCUSE for firing while people were anywhere in the vicinity of the blast area.
I generally support the corps, and appreciate the history of A&M. But they do have a track record of getting so wrapped up in their own traditions that they cannot see the forest for the trees, and ebd up living in a time-warp bubble, essentially detached from present-day reality.
That is the root cause of what I see here. And in the context of what happened, it is totally unacceptable. No tradition is ever sacred enough to risk physical harm to anyone, let alone unaware visitors, to stay "on schedule".
If players are the vicinity of the business end of a cannon when the canon is supposed to be fired, guess what? The canon isn't getting fired at that moment. This is basic common sense, and unfortunately the corps has a history of eschewing it, in favor of preserving tradition, and that is exactly what happened yesterday.
quote:Disagree. All they need to do is change safety procedures and train appropriately. As EKG pointed out, the firing of the cannon as the team enters the field is a recent change implemented at mid-season. They did not change their procedures to take into account the presence of players and staff on the field during pre-game. This can easily be remedied.
Sadly, the canon needs to go. And the cadets who fired it, and the corps leadership who built a culture that allowed students to actually think it was ok to fire at that moment need to be held accountable.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:32 pm to tigerskin
That entire school and their fans are an embarrassment to the SEC.
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