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re: Tua Tagovailoa Became Soft
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:46 am to CAbamafan
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:46 am to CAbamafan
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If you go back and watch the NCG last year, he was a totally different player - spinning away from blitzes, quickly moving in the pocket, popping out of his drop back and using his legs for more zip on his throws.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but a lot of people forget that Tua almost lost that game by taking a very bad sack that *probably* would have cost Alabama the game if Georgia didn't bust coverage on the very next play.
Honestly, Tua got lucky.
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Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:48 am to 14&Counting
No sir, Tua is not far better than Lawrence. In the head to head game they both played in Lawrence had a QBR of 184 while Tua came in at 145. As a matter of fact Lawrence was the leader in every category in this head to head matchup except one. Tua had a completion percentage of 64.7 while Lawrence came in at 62.5.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:48 am to labamafan
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Yep the only difference between Lawrence and Tua is his OL protected him. He had all day long to throw.
Wrong. Lawrence was pressured quite a bit and made the throws anyways. Go rewatch the game.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:50 am to TigerCat33
Don’t forget Tua also three more interceptions. He beat out Trevor Lawrence in that category as well
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:51 am to CAbamafan
It is really hard to evaluate how good Tua is. I call it the Miami effect. Back in the late 80’s, 90’s and early 00’s , Miami had similar talent to current day Bama. They were 4/5 stars across the board. As a result, the QB looked much better than they really were. Most of the Miami QB’s flopped in the pros. Jim Kelly was the best but he predated the great Miami teams.
Tua is in the same boat. When you are surrounded by great talent, it is much easier to look great even if you are only good yourself.
That is why often times the best NFL QB’s are not necessarily the best in college.
Tua is in the same boat. When you are surrounded by great talent, it is much easier to look great even if you are only good yourself.
That is why often times the best NFL QB’s are not necessarily the best in college.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:55 am to CAbamafan
A high ankle sprain impacts more then just mobility for a QB. There is also your ability to plant and make solid throws. At some point, as the coach, you have to realize that your star player is not playing at his usual level and make the call as to pulling him.
A few years ago Bert decided to leave Brandon Allen in the game against Missouri even though BA's pulled back muscle meant he could barely move and he couldn't throw the ball further then ten yards with anything even remotely resembling accuracy. Bert did that because he didn't feel he had a backup QB worth a darn. Allen was crucified by the Missouri defense in the second half.
Alabama, on the other hand, had Jalen Hurts sitting right there. A veteran player with a 26-2 record who had full mobility against a Clemson defense that was having problems stopping the run.
Maybe it wouldn't have been enough, the vaunted Alabama defense was beaten like a drum throughout the game, but I think this one falls on the Alabama coaching staff. If you have the luxury of an elite backup QB on your team and your starter isn't playing well then you make the switch.
A few years ago Bert decided to leave Brandon Allen in the game against Missouri even though BA's pulled back muscle meant he could barely move and he couldn't throw the ball further then ten yards with anything even remotely resembling accuracy. Bert did that because he didn't feel he had a backup QB worth a darn. Allen was crucified by the Missouri defense in the second half.
Alabama, on the other hand, had Jalen Hurts sitting right there. A veteran player with a 26-2 record who had full mobility against a Clemson defense that was having problems stopping the run.
Maybe it wouldn't have been enough, the vaunted Alabama defense was beaten like a drum throughout the game, but I think this one falls on the Alabama coaching staff. If you have the luxury of an elite backup QB on your team and your starter isn't playing well then you make the switch.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:58 am to TxTiger82
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Wrong. Lawrence was pressured quite a bit and made the throws anyways. Go rewatch the game.
He took a lot of hits and just kept completing balls. Being 6-6 allowed him to stand in the pocket and see the field. Sometimes Tua looked like he was 5-10 with his happy feet.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:10 pm to Irons Puppet
Tua's "problem" is that he was playing an an injured knee since the Arkansas game, then injured an ankle vs UGA
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:11 pm to CAbamafan
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As well as our dumbass OC insisting on designed QB runs in blowout games. That's how he injured his knee
Well, your new OC Dan Enos will fix that. Oh Wait.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:11 pm to labamafan
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Yep the only difference between Lawrence and Tua is his OL protected him.
I'd say right here is the difference between playing an SEC schedule versus an ACC schedule.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:11 pm to TigerCat33
Tua, not Lawrence, set a record this season for passing efficiency.
I just checked the rankings and Lawrence was #12 for the season.
I just checked the rankings and Lawrence was #12 for the season.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:15 pm to AlaCowboy
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AlaCowboy
Kirby chokes. We'll beat UGA again next season if they make it to the title game, but it may be Florida.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:21 pm to John Milner
Just look to this coming year. He should be 100% going forward and should play 90% of the games. That will be eye opening if so.
Duke is first and if Tua plays into the fourth quarter his numbers will be an indicator for what’s in store.
You Baws say he’s soft. We will see.
Duke is first and if Tua plays into the fourth quarter his numbers will be an indicator for what’s in store.
You Baws say he’s soft. We will see.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:22 pm to TigerCat33
there was no "head to head" matchup. Tua played against your defense and Lawrence played against the UA defense. In that game, and probably for the year, Clemson's defense was better.
well, and Tua was still not recovered from the knee and ankle injuries. The ankle was scoped after the SEC title game.
well, and Tua was still not recovered from the knee and ankle injuries. The ankle was scoped after the SEC title game.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:24 pm to John Milner
You forgot to mention the failed fake punt. Is that because you don't want to hear about that failed fake FG?
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:24 pm to Herman Frisco
Tua was injury free during his freshman year, and he played quite a lot.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:26 pm to AlaCowboy
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You forgot to mention the failed fake punt. Is that because you don't want to hear about that failed fake FG?
both plays were stupid but Clemson beat Alabama because they were better.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:28 pm to TxTiger82
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Wrong. Lawrence was pressured quite a bit and made the throws anyways. Go rewatch the game.
This is correct.
They couldn't pressure Clemson (unlike last year) partly because they now had to defend the entire field, and their secondary wasn't as good this year.
And people are discounting how good Clemson's secondary coverage was that game outside of one bust. Clemson's CBs are both NFL guys. The safety's had a couple of poor games this year, but when dialed in they are as good as anyone. Venables is one of the best in the business who throws a lot at an offense. With all of the veteran players this year, it means he can throw out all kinds of exotic looks.
In short, Tua is a very good player. He will be a top 5 pick next year if he stays healthy. Still accurate with a very quick release.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:28 pm to John Milner
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well, and Tua was still not recovered from the knee and ankle injuries. The ankle was scoped after the SEC title game.
So all those comments from Saban about that "miracle surgery" were lies? Tua should sue for the risk Saban put him through.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:29 pm to CAbamafan
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The biggest difference was his mobility and electricity in the pocket, and stepping into his throws. He went to the injury tent every single game after his initial knee injury.
Give me a break with that bullshite. He was running around like a cat with no issues in the SEC championship and the national championship. It was only when his own offensive lineman stepped on his ankle that there was any real issue. You Bama fans can keep deluding yourself that Tua was hurt til you're blue in the face. You know the truth.
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