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re: Total Cost of Firing Butch

Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:58 pm to
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could be argued that PGC is a glorified name for Co-OC I suppose.


I think PGC is the guy who runs around on the sideline telling which receivers to go in for the next play. But that could be called Co-OC if your brother is the head coach.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:00 pm to
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Worth every penny to get his worthless arse out.



Would've paid even more to do it. We were the second most profitable program in the nation last season. We have plenty of money and holding onto to Butch would've cost us far more than we're paying. In retrospect, we held onto him far too long for 'stability's sake' and it cost us financially and in terms of turning a decent job of rebuilding into yet another rebuild.

We'd have been in better shape by every measure had Butch been let go after last season but the AD was afraid that firing him after numerically decent season wasn't justifiable despite all evidence pointing to an absolute shite show of a poor job that season. And the AD was right in the sense that we would've been crucified by the media and everyone else for it.

Ironically, UF did what we should've done despite those fears and no one gave a damn about it. UF is in fact now praised both for the firing and for fricking Mac over while we're crucified for backing out of hiring Schiano.

Of course, very few will even acknowledge that glaring double standard.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:02 pm to
How do you put a price tag on loss of prestige, and the accompanying embarrassment?
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:10 pm to
UT should've fired Butch the first time he walked out on the field during spring game with a microphone. His personality is what scuttled his coaching career, IMO.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:13 pm to
I truly hope he is set on fire and dies in agony. He's worse than Hitler
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:16 pm to
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Ironically, UF did what we should've done despite those fears and no one gave a damn about it. UF is in fact now praised both for the firing and for fricking Mac over while we're crucified for backing out of hiring Schiano.

Of course, very few will even acknowledge that glaring double standard.

For what it's worth, I've seen many criticize them for it... they just did it so god damn fast that it was in and out of the headlines pretty quickly. UT's hiring search went on for so long they had a hard time getting the Schiano situation out of the headlines. Also, twitter riots have a way of being remembered.

As someone married to a Vol, I know what you guys are going through. The fact that a contract was ever drawn up for him was really odd... he's just not a hire that's going to move the needle in the right direction for UT, regardless of whether he might end up having success (which the odds were dubious IMO). Pruitt at least gives you some hope of something different than what you've gotten with both of the previous 2 hires.

As I said in another post before... as irritating as it was to lose the 2016 game to UT with the Hail Mary... in the long run, it may have been to our benefit. I was shocked when they kept him on board for one more season.
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:33 pm to
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He should be better than when he was at UGA (more experience), but the consensus was that he was in over his head at the SEC level.


I hope he is a good OL coach because he doesn't have much to work with currently
Posted by SECFan1995
Member since Sep 2015
7880 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:34 pm to
Even though the mou wasn't fully signed, this is terrible. Combine this with firing the AD and man oh man.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:45 pm to
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Even though the mou wasn't fully signed, this is terrible. Combine this with firing the AD and man oh man.




Schiano not getting shite, Currie was fired for cause, please stop being a chode.


Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:48 pm to
the MOU is a signed contract based on what I could read that is official until the signed perm contract is in place. They will owe some of this too.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
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Currie was fired for cause


Will Currie be paid more or less than $1M for being fired for cause?
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
17447 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
what was the cause. Firing someone for being incompetent is not for cause. Explain please
Posted by gladchiefisgone
Member since Sep 2010
1924 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
Some of Botch's staff has already gotten jobs including Shoop so that's a buyout offset and I'm sure more will get jobs. Gillispe was retained by Pruitt and he was one of the better paid coaches none cord. And when Botch gets a job coaching at a NAIA school in Butte Montana that $37,000 will be offset so there's that.
This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
mrbroker mosquito dick Esq
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:51 pm to
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Explain please


He did not hire Gruden
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
17447 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 5:57 pm to
outside of being a POS I am asking you to explain what he was fired for besides being incompetent. What was the show cause.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 6:06 pm to
As a UT fan I couldn't care less about the money UT owes anyone as it's mostly booster money. UT, and UTAD are fine financially. Not sure why other fans care.

I'm just tired of buyouts forcing schools to keep coaches longer than they should. Fan expectations, and buyouts arent matching up. Out of control.

I don't care for the Jones era. Never thought he was a good fit, and a "seedy salesman" type. I would have preferred to keep Dooley, Chaney, and Pittman at dirt cheap then go thru the last 5 yrs. Dooley was hamstrung asst coaches wise, ie LB coach turned UT DC in Sunsari, cause Hart wanted to bring his own guy. Who turned out to be Jones, and his pack of MAC assts.

Hope Pruitt does it, but i'm concerned with rumors of his temper. One thing is getting fired up, but seems he may be a bit redneck off. Which is fine to a point too, but don't want to wake up one day to social media pic of him shirtless drunk looking to fight the bar.

We'll see just wish we could fire coaches easier. UF lucked out with coach macs "death threats" screw up, and they pounced. If it werent for that they would still have him as a coach.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 6:10 pm to
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what was the cause. Firing someone for being incompetent is not for cause. Explain please

Insubordination.
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 6:27 pm to
I dunno if Currie was ever actually fired, or just suspended?

Additionally, did he meet the terms for show cause when he went to the west coach meeting with Leach rather than coming home for a meeting as Bev had directed him?
This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 6:28 pm
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