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re: Too many free throw breaks are college basketball's biggest problem imo
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:22 pm to OU Guy
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:22 pm to OU Guy
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This is misleading info. Look at just SEC games. In our case here’s the FT disparity
It’s not misleading. Your sample size is way too small, and the three teams you have played in conference are all great at getting to the free throw line.
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:29 pm to bigDgator
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It’s not misleading. Your sample size is way too small, and the three teams you have played in conference are all great at getting to the free throw line.
Actually mine is more consistant than yours.
My sample size is 3 SEC games using solely SEC refs.
Yours is using all pre conf games where teams play varying schools from many different conferences and not same conf refs. Its likely no one played games using same conf refs for any pre conf games.
Can you show the ref affiliation for all pre conf games? I bet you can’t.
At least my data shows only SEC refs and thats what matters for the season.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:40 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Shooting fouls, when the refs and players just take their time and fart around for a full 45-60 seconds, take all the rhythm out of a basketball game
Aww, cmon man, the shooter has got to get the low 5s, high 5s, and knuckles bumps from the rest of the players before a second shot.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:42 pm to DhanTigers212
It’s really just that 90% of SEC officials really suck at their job and/or are attention seeking.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:47 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Shooting fouls, when the refs and players just take their time and fart around for a full 45-60 seconds, take all the rhythm out of a basketball game and make it too easy to change the channel.
Officials piddling around is a huge problem in general. Refs seem intent on proving they’re in charge and they rush for no one. And the NCAA desperately needs to find a way to reel in the reviews. It’s absurd.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:51 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
How about just getting better refs. Pay them more but demand more of them. Also stop the damn flopping. Maybe hockey has it right. Put floppers in the penalty box.
Too many phantom fouls called. Too many and ones where the defender ran past the shooter. Stop calling fouls on three pointers where the shooter kicks his legs out.
But most of all quit playing to the crowd.
Too many phantom fouls called. Too many and ones where the defender ran past the shooter. Stop calling fouls on three pointers where the shooter kicks his legs out.
But most of all quit playing to the crowd.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:05 pm to OU Guy
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Actually mine is more consistant than yours.
My sample size is 3 SEC games using solely SEC refs.
Yours is using all pre conf games where teams play varying schools from many different conferences and not same conf refs. Its likely no one played games using same conf refs for any pre conf games.
Can you show the ref affiliation for all pre conf games? I bet you can’t.
At least my data shows only SEC refs and thats what matters for the season.
All that and you could have just said the SEC refs are picking on Oklahoma.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:07 pm to Lynxrufus2012
Not only 3 point shooters kicking their legs out, but also falling down like they got hit by a tank when replay shows little or no contact.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:09 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
That game was with Don Daily. The same ref we had last night vs Texas A&M. We had 58 fouls called in the game, with 88 total free throws.
Don Daily might be the worst ref in the SEC. And that's saying something. I'm gonna dig a little deeper.
Edit: only 35 fouls last week in Arky @Tennessee. But they pretty much never call fouls in Knoxville.
I'm curious to see if this dude calls twice the number of fouls as the other crews. Is there a site that tracks refs?
Don Daily might be the worst ref in the SEC. And that's saying something. I'm gonna dig a little deeper.
Edit: only 35 fouls last week in Arky @Tennessee. But they pretty much never call fouls in Knoxville.
I'm curious to see if this dude calls twice the number of fouls as the other crews. Is there a site that tracks refs?
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:16 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
It’s not such a simple problem to fix because the problem is both some refs simply calling too many ticky tack fouls but also the amount of fouling.
Most of the best defensive teams are coached to cross the line fouling at all times. Especially down the stretch. This will only get worse and games will really be unwatchable if refs aren’t actively trying to keep the games cleaner.
Only a small solution, and one that the best refs probably already do, is just letting some stuff go when there’s “no significant advantage”. Slight foul but player still gets the rebound or makes the shot, it’s kind of frustrating that they stop the game.
My personal pet peeve is a player tries to foul to stop a breakaway or clear layup but the player gets the pass off fine anyway for the breakaway layup and the ref calls it all back for the foul.
That’s where they should learn from soccer: count the layup and just give the player that foul during the next stoppage of play.
Most of the best defensive teams are coached to cross the line fouling at all times. Especially down the stretch. This will only get worse and games will really be unwatchable if refs aren’t actively trying to keep the games cleaner.
Only a small solution, and one that the best refs probably already do, is just letting some stuff go when there’s “no significant advantage”. Slight foul but player still gets the rebound or makes the shot, it’s kind of frustrating that they stop the game.
My personal pet peeve is a player tries to foul to stop a breakaway or clear layup but the player gets the pass off fine anyway for the breakaway layup and the ref calls it all back for the foul.
That’s where they should learn from soccer: count the layup and just give the player that foul during the next stoppage of play.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:18 pm to bigDgator
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All that and you could have just said the SEC refs are picking on Oklahoma.
You have no reply so take a dig at OU. You posted the original stats and I challenged you to consider your stats are flawed. You have no stat response so that tells me all I need to know.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:49 pm to OU Guy
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You have no reply so take a dig at OU. You posted the original stats and I challenged you to consider your stats are flawed. You have no stat response so that tells me all I need to know.
I didn't bring OU into this, you did. I was talking about Auburn having the worst whistles of all the SEC teams throughout the season. A 16 game sample. Pretty amazing they have had the success they have had.
I also think it is funny that you think all SEC refs are the same. They most certainly are not. If you watched the MSU/UK game it was called much differently than the A&M/Bama game.
Now you say I am taking a dig at OU, which I am not, I am taking a dig at you for getting me into this idiotic debate over statistics.
But let's try and remember to come back to this and if OU has the worst foul to opponent foul ratio at the end of the season I will say as much. I am not trying to pick on OU at all.
I apologize on behalf of the SEC that your first 3 games have not been officiated well and hope it gets better for you as the season progresses.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:01 pm to bigDgator
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I didn't bring OU into this, you did.
Because your stupid stats were misleading.
You were showing fouls and FT rates using every game. But I pointed out that non conference games are reffed by every tom dick and harry conference which means its not consistent data.
I then used OU as an example to show how lopsided your stats are where non conf and conf reffing are so different.
There are other SEC ref examples too but I’m not going to do all your work. In basketball there is non conf games where you play varying teams from every conf which is a lot.
Then you have conf games which at end of season we will all play more conf games than non. You can’t compare non conf fouls to conf fouls. I pointed out that 3 SEC games are more consistent data than non conf foul data. And instead of discussing that fact you decided to go off script and attack the poster and school vs look at the data I presented.
Show the conference foul and free throw data for conference separate from non conference to paint a truer picture. You used non conf to try and steer the topic in a favorable viewpoint to your agenda.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:07 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Fact, and it’s why college baseball is a superior sport.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:39 pm to OU Guy
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You were showing fouls and FT rates
I wasn't showing free throw rates. Get it right if you want to make an argument. You seem to be flailing now.
Go forth and show your big 3 game sample and make sure to mention how consistent SEC refs are in your humongous sample size.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:50 pm to bigDgator
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Go forth and show your big 3 game sample and make sure to mention how consistent SEC refs are in your humongous sample size.
God help me for defending the OU guy (even though I get what you're saying).
The number of fouls (not just shooting fouls) that are called in the SEC have been an issue on the basketball side for awhile.
This was from the Montgomery Advisor who did an article on it in 2020.
Here's another snippet from 2020 as well:
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If tweet fails to load, click here. There's some discussion on whether rule changes that have put precedent on calling more fouls along the perimeter and changing subjectiveness among officials who typically call SEC games have pushed it even further.
The reality is, it's an issue. And it's a real shame with some good offensive teams in the SEC.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
I'm not taking a stance on anything here Belle.
I was trying to subtly troll the OP by showing that Georgia has gotten favorable whistles thus far in the season. I had no intention of wrankling this guys cankles. He is going pretty far out on a limb with his 3 game sample size while trying to show that OU has gotten jobbed by the officials (maybe they have) while completely ignoring the fact that the 3 teams they have played are some of the best in the country at getting to the free throw line.
It is kind of entertaining now that he is trying to totally discount all the games in favor of only SEC games because of the consistency of the officials he is saying are terrible.
I was trying to subtly troll the OP by showing that Georgia has gotten favorable whistles thus far in the season. I had no intention of wrankling this guys cankles. He is going pretty far out on a limb with his 3 game sample size while trying to show that OU has gotten jobbed by the officials (maybe they have) while completely ignoring the fact that the 3 teams they have played are some of the best in the country at getting to the free throw line.
It is kind of entertaining now that he is trying to totally discount all the games in favor of only SEC games because of the consistency of the officials he is saying are terrible.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:01 pm to bigDgator
Also I am so far over officials and the shitty way they call games in all sports that it just isn't worth arguing. They suck and I just deal with it. Yes I bitch during the games, then I just shut up, because everyone gets favorable calls sometimes. No one ever admits it.
We got favorable calls in Lexington last week and couldn't take advantage of it dammit!
We got favorable calls in Lexington last week and couldn't take advantage of it dammit!
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:02 pm to bigDgator
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I was trying to subtly troll the OP by showing that Georgia has gotten favorable whistles thus far in the season.
We get more calls because we can’t shoot and drive everything inside.
We also get a ton of offensive rebounds which typically lead to fouls on putbacks
Hope this helps.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 3:03 pm to diddlydawg7
I know this. Very impressed with UGA thus far.
Can I not give you guys a little shite every now and then?
I was trying to point out to OU Guy that the 3 teams he has played in SEC play are all really good at getting to the line. But it seems like those words are illegible to him.
Can I not give you guys a little shite every now and then?
I was trying to point out to OU Guy that the 3 teams he has played in SEC play are all really good at getting to the line. But it seems like those words are illegible to him.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 3:07 pm
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