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re: This year marks the 80th anniversary of the most controversial title claim in CFB history
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:00 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:00 am to RollTide1987
quote:That's bullshite. Alabama won/shared the title in '64 and '65 and went undefeated AND untied in '66, while ND and Michigan State tied each other,10-10. State and ND were given Co-Champion recognition by the Northern-leaning nat'l polls.
you can't claim 1966 (as much as it sucks) because Notre Dame won AP/Coaches;
It's simply tit-for-tat.
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:01 am to MullenBoys
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They weren’t gonna give us anything no matter what we did. Hell , the year before we didn’t lose a game- held 9 teams to 7 or less points including 4 shutouts and weren’t even in the conversation. I think we both know why.
Probably the same reason Bama was hosed in 1945, which is why I don't care about the 1941 claim.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:05 am to imjustafatkid
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Probably the same reason Bama was hosed in 1945
I don't think we were hosed but I do think it sad we weren't allowed the opportunity to prove ourselves against Army. That Cadets team was freaking stacked that season and were defending national champions who finished a perfect 9-0 on the year. I visited the Bryant Museum's archives one year when I was a student to do some research on the '45 squad and found out that there were quite a few national level reporters who wanted Alabama and Army to square off in the Sugar Bowl to prove which one of them was the best.
Army eventually declined a bowl invite and Alabama accepted the Rose Bowl's invitation to play USC in Pasadena.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 8:06 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:12 am to RollTide1987
Sidenote to the 1941 team. 55 of the 61 players on that team served in WW2. Salute 
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:22 am to Hback
I like how '41 melts the shite out of folks.
But yea, that's not a title.
But yea, that's not a title.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:51 am to RollTide1987
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Some obscure mathematician named Houlgate has a contemporary poll where we finished #1,
Dec. 3rd 1941 Newspaper with Houlgate's "Final Selection"
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:53 am to Shamoan
Did State with the SEC that year? If so, y'all should definitely claim it. Who's the one loss?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:55 am to RollTide1987
I'm not gonna lie, the 41 ship or any other ship that is debatable doesn't matter to me. Bama has won more NC in my lifetime that most schools have for their history. I've seen Bama win more ships than most schools have won.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:24 am to Hogfan13
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Did State with the SEC that year?
They did indeed. Mississippi State finished the season that year with a record of 8-1-1. They tied LSU and lost to #10 Duquesne (who finished the year undefeated). Duquesne claims a national championship from that season despite finishing #8 in the final AP poll.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:52 am to RollTide1987
This is what the bigwigs wanted college football to be. They worked hard at making sure the best teams never saw the same field. The Bowl Alliance was the cherry on top of making sure that politics and intrigue won the day.
AP and UPI were just as crooked and filled with bias as any other poll. We got what we got for 125 years and now we get to hear fans longing for the past.
AP and UPI were just as crooked and filled with bias as any other poll. We got what we got for 125 years and now we get to hear fans longing for the past.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:11 am to RollTide1987
Claiming those pre-Bear Bryant championships was only something that occurred after he died, right? I thought I heard it was something the AD did to boost the reputation of the school
Looks like 1925, 1930, and 1934 would hold up to some scrutiny. 1926 is a bit iffy, and definitely not 1941.
Looks like 1925, 1930, and 1934 would hold up to some scrutiny. 1926 is a bit iffy, and definitely not 1941.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:27 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Claiming those pre-Bear Bryant championships was only something that occurred after he died, right? I thought I heard it was something the AD did to boost the reputation of the school
It was the head of the Sports Information Department who did it, not the AD. The first time 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, and 1941 appeared together as national championships in an Alabama media guide was 1986. At the time other universities (such as Michigan and Notre Dame) were also going back and claiming national championships from yesteryear to boost their images, so Alabama and some other schools followed suit.
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1926 is a bit iffy
I disagree. 1926 was actually the first official attempt at selecting a national champion at the end of the season. On the radio telecast of the Rose Bowl, the announcer reportedly said that the game between Alabama and Stanford was for the national championship of college football. Alabama and Stanford ended up tying each other and so both universities rightfully claim it.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:52 am to RollTide1987
Is it 2092 already? Damn time flies
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:55 am to RollTide1987
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don't think 1941 or any other national championship should have been claimed. We should have just stuck with 10 claimed national championships and have been done with it. No one would have faulted us for claiming the Rose Bowl wins as national championship seasons to go along with Bear's six Poll Era titles. You can't claim 1945 because Army won the AP that season; you can't claim 1966 (as much as it sucks) because Notre Dame won AP/Coaches; you can't claim 1975 because Oklahoma won AP/Coaches; and you can't claim 1977 because Notre Dame won AP/Coaches. Claiming any national championship in the Poll Era that wasn't awarded by a so-called "consensus" selector means that your title claim is pretty fraudulent. That is why 1941 should be dropped by the university.
This. Every bit of it. We got screwed in 66 and to a lesser extent in 77, but it happens. Trying to claim a title for those years is no different than auburn fans claiming 1983 or 2004.
Although I do love it when fans apply one methodology to our titles and apply a different standard to ones they claim. If the methodology is consistent, we have substantially more than any other school post 1900, or 1936, or 1950, 1991, or 2000. Good to be the king.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:59 am to Ted2010
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Me too. 1966 should’ve been the one claimed because the case is much much stronger
After WWII if you didnt win the UPI/Coaches, AP, BCS or CFP title you didnt win the national championship.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:31 am to AUDevil
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:37 am to RollTide1987
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This year marks the 80th anniversary of the most controversial title claim in CFB history
“Controversial” is being awfully generous
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:59 am to RollTide1987
quote:Impressive post OP. Props.
RollTide1987
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:00 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't think we were hosed but I do think it sad we weren't allowed the opportunity to prove ourselves against Army.
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Army eventually declined a bowl invite and Alabama accepted the Rose Bowl's invitation to play USC in Pasadena.
Like I said. Hosed. We won the Rose Bowl and went undefeated. Army declined the chance to play us. Making them number 1 was a sham.
ETA: As someone else mentioned, 1966 is another year Bama was hosed. As long as those two seasons exist, I really don't care about the 1941 claim and think we should keep on claiming it forever.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:03 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Baw, we were at war
Army declined the chance to play us. Making them number 1 was a sham.
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