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re: There have been 3 signs already that new LSU Football coach Brian Kelly is going to fail
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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our history of making coaches.
how did that history go till Nick Saban arrived there?
Saban made LSU, not vice versa. LSU was a SEC also ran before Saban.
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I would say at least as well but not necessarily way above and beyond. The “tougher competition” angle presumes Notre Dame is just as good a job as LSU. It isn’t.
I never said or meant to imply that ND was a better job than LSU. Maybe in 1995, but times have changed. LSU is better almost across the board, but the expectations and competition is much higher. The fanbase is also much more volatile after a loss. They will not tolerate a 3+ touchdown regular season loss to Bama or Georgia. They will not tolerate a 3+ touchdown loss in the SEC championship or in a NY6 Bowl, even though reaching those games is as good as any accomplishment he’s ever had.
He has a firm track record of being a solid coach and getting it done during the regular season only to get blown out against the highest level of competition. That won’t magically change with the slight bump in talent he will get at LSU. Notre Dame was not devoid of talent.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:23 pm to BLG
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how did that history go till Nick Saban arrived there?
Yes because what happened to LSU before 1999 is a lot more relevant than the past 2 decades
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:24 pm to TigerLunatik
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Brian Kelly has had success at every head coaching job he's ever had. LSU won national championships with Les Miles and Edward Orgeron. What in the world would make anyone believe that Kelly would fail at LSU?
Difference is those coaches could recruit Jimbo level.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:25 pm to BLG
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how did that history go till Nick Saban arrived there?
I already cited several examples
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Saban made LSU, not vice versa.
Right because when Bama hired him it was based on what he did in East Landsing and Miami
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:26 pm to Colonel Ingus
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He has a firm track record of being a solid coach and getting it done during the regular season only to get blown out against the highest level of competition.
And once he has a few years here there won’t be a higher level of competition
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:27 pm to GCTiger11
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Yes because what happened to LSU before 1999 is a lot more relevant than the past 2 decades
you're the one that boasted about history, and historically LSU was a SEC also ran. History didn't being 20 years ago.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:28 pm to ForgetTheRest
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Difference is those coaches could recruit Jimbo level.
This Brian Kelly can’t recruit thing is just wrong. He’s exceeded expectations so far in what he did salvaging the class and working the portal.
I think you’re not appreciating how difficult it is to get kids to go live in Northern Indiana.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:30 pm to Stew2581
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And yes #1 recruiting class blah blah blah..... Dude still can't coach them to more than 10 wins or a natty
Jimbo already proved that he can when having elite talent. Kelly proved he can go 4 and 8.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I think you’re not appreciating how difficult it is to get kids to go live in Northern Indiana.
to use your own terminology, Notre Dame has a history of recruiting well. Measure it all time and Notre Dame is probably the best recruiting program in the nation.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:31 pm to BLG
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to use your own terminology, Notre Dame has a history of recruiting well.
It’s not 1973 my man
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:34 pm to ForgetTheRest
He was the only one then, Max is an average QB with average talent. Brennan would have won that battle, now we have 2 QB's that are better than Max with Daniels
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It’s not 1973 my man
according to 247 composite Notre Dame has the #1 ranked recruiting class in the nation. They never achieved that with Kelly
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:37 pm to Stew2581
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Max is an average QB with average talent. Brennan would have won that battle
Pre season last year most LSU fans on this board claimed Johnson was better than Brennan
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:37 pm to BLG
Are you talking about 2022 or 2023? Because if it’s 2022 then obviously Kelly had a lot to do with that. If it’s 2023 then you’re talking about a class that’s 11 months away from being finalized and not worth much.
And Kelly did recruit very well at Notre Dame given their limitations.
And Kelly did recruit very well at Notre Dame given their limitations.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Notre Dame... limitations.
that's revisionist bullshite history. As previously noted, Notre Dame has always recruited well, and also as noted, they are currently #1 for the class of 2023. Looks like the only time they didn't recruit very well was relatively recently
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:43 pm to BLG
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that's revisionist bullshite history.
It’s not. They changed their recruiting allowances in the 90’s which led to Holtz retiring. They then wandered in the wilderness for 10+ years until Kelly showed up.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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They changed their recruiting allowances in the 90’s which led to Holtz retiring. They then wandered in the wilderness for 10 years until Kelly showed up.
Kelly "showed up" at Notre Dame in 2010. Let's review his recuiting classes, according to 247.
2011- #9 (Alabama #1) LINK
2012- #17 (UA #1) LINK
2013 - #5 (UA #1) LINK
2014- #11 (UA #1) LINK
2015- #13 (guess who was #1) LINK
2016 - #15 (ditto) LINK
2017 - #10 (ho hum #1 yet again) LINK
2018- #10 (UGA #1) LINK
2019- #15 (UA #1) LINK
2020 - #18 (UGA #1) LINK
2021 - #9 (UA #1) LINK
So not counting the first class of 2010, and the last class of 2022 since he left before the class was signed, Kelly averaged the #12 class in the nation, and now that he's gone, the new coach has the #1 recruiting class in the nation. Looks like Kelly was the problem.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:14 pm to BLG
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Kelly averaged the #12 class in the nation, and now that he's gone, the new coach has the #1 recruiting class in the nation. Looks like Kelly was the problem
Except most of those players in next year's #1 class committed while Kelly was there.
I hate to destroy the narrative though.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:15 pm to BLG
That’s not bad for Notre Dame and I don’t think they’ll hold on to #1 by the end of the cycle
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