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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:52 pm to KPCrimson
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:52 pm to KPCrimson
quote:Actually yes. 2008 shouldn't have been to long ago for you to recall. Florida lost to an Ole Miss team who lost to Vandy. By the way when Clemson beat VT they were ranked 13th. I know Florida had way more wins but conceptionally I am correct.
Had we gotten our rear ends handed to us by you guys the same way they did Clemson, well you may have an argument. However, it didn't happen that way. Are you really trying to say that a team who's best win was Georgia Tech and got blasted by Clemson should jump us just because they play in a bad conference???
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:53 pm to Abadeebadaba
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Oh okay haha sorry man.
No worries. You are owning this thread. Solid, logical, unemotional points.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:53 pm to Lsuhoohoo
blah blah you Bama frick tards, if the roles were revered you guys would be crying up and down this board, so take this high road stance and shove it up your arse and take a key from Les and RECRUIT A frickING KICKER
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:54 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Not according to LSU fan logic apparently. Losing when it's for all the marbles in unacceptable. PERIOD. Yet here's a team that had it all right in front of them and lose to a terrible Iowa State team, and that's forgivable because they beat a 6-5 TAMU, 6-4 Tex, 6-5 Mizzou, 7-3 Baylor, and 9-2 KSt?? Prey tell how Alabama does against that schedule??? Exactly. Like it or not, we're the #2 team and if we/you win, barring something stupid, we play again, end of story.
It's difficult to argue that who OSU lost to overcomes all of that.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:54 pm to Wolfhound45
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No worries. You are owning this thread. Solid, logical, unemotional points.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:54 pm to Gekko
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if this scenario plays out, there was incentive to loose the game against Alabama for LSU.
I disagree. If we had lost that game, we'd be in the position of having to beat Arkansas to get to the NC game. Now, we can actually lose to Arkansas and still get to the NC game. And, of course, we can still win the SEC championship, while Alabama probably can't.
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LSU fans, don't buy into all of the Rednecks stating that you are scared to play them again...
The loser of the first game always thinks the winner is scared to play them again. For years, the small fry schools in La. said we were scared to play them. Basically, anybody who wants to play you claims you're scared if you're not as gung-ho to play them as they are to play you.
Bama wants to play us again because they have to in order to prove anything, since they didn't on November 5th. We see no need for a rematch because we already proved it on November 5th.
I think what's most telling is the threads in the 2 weeks BEFORE the game in Tuscaloosa when there was already talk of a possible rematch. The Bama fans in those threads, as I recall, were firmly against a rematch when they still thought they were going to win in Tuscaloosa. They're only changing their minds now because they lost and they want another chance. Understandable. I would too if we had lost. Just like they would be against a rematch if they had won.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 12:59 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Haha I REALLY hope you don't have a vote in the BCS
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:00 pm to KPCrimson
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Not according to LSU fan logic apparently. Losing when it's for all the marbles in unacceptable. PERIOD.
Um . . . .
What happened in November 5th?
See, this where your argument breaks down. Every team except LSU has lost "when its for all the marbles," so you have to look at other factors.
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Yet here's a team that had it all right in front of them and lose to a terrible Iowa State team, and that's forgivable because they beat a 6-5 TAMU, 6-4 Tex, 6-5 Mizzou, 7-3 Baylor, and 9-2 KSt??
And you think Alabama's loss is more forgivable even though they lost at home and have played an easier schedule?
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Prey tell how Alabama does against that schedule???
You didn't play it. Again, like I said earlier, Alabama's #2 ranking is based on assumptions; it's based on perception and not statistics.
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Exactly. Like it or not, we're the #2 team and if we/you win, barring something stupid, we play again, end of story.
I'd say Alabama is the odds on favorite, but I think the Tide Nation is seriously underestimating the chances of OSU overtaking Alabama if they beat OU.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
I'm just saying
Alabama is on par with State, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
All teams that couldn't win their divisions.
Alabama is on par with State, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
All teams that couldn't win their divisions.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:03 pm to Abadeebadaba
quote:And then proceeded to PASTE everyone on their schedule the rest of the way. THEN they went on to beat the #1 ranked and undefeated Alabama team in the title game. Okie St will not have that opportunity. Nor did they whip everyone else either. Plus as has been mentioned MANY MANY times, losing earlier in the year is better than later. Florida lost in week 4. Okie St lost too late to a terrible team and doesn't have the resume left to get back in it.
2008 shouldn't have been to long ago for you to recall. Florida lost to an Ole Miss team who lost to Vandy.
I understand your logic, and the reply you're already writing, but the voters and BCS only dropped us a single spot. Not much ground to make up and everyone in front of us lost.
quote:Who gives a flying frick about that? What was Florida ranked when we beat them??? Yeah, you're right that means nothing. What's more important, if we're looking at resumes like that, what's Arky ranked right now? Currently, as in today? You know, week 12? #3 and we beat them worse than Clemson did VATech. You're really reaching with this argument
By the way when Clemson beat VT they were ranked 13th.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:04 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'd say Alabama is the odds on favorite, but I think the Tide Nation is seriously underestimating the chances of OSU overtaking Alabama if they beat OU.
My gut instinct? If OSU wins out then the human voters put them in over Bama. Not saying I agree with it, but I believe there is a very strong anti-SEC bias that will come out and it will be ugly. Bama is clearly the #2 team in the nation. And the voters will not care in the least bit. Bookmark it.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:07 pm to LNCHBOX
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Neglecting OT are we? And before you say we started at the 25, so did you... yet you couldn't manage to gain 1 yard, much less 5.
Not neglecting. But you have to get to overtime before you can play for it.
The fact is LSU didn't get inside the Bama 20 3 more times than Bama did on LSU.
I'm not counting overtime for Bama or LSU.
Playing from the 25 skews all the stats.
Bama fricked up got a penalty and a sack in OT. That's what did them in.
LSU had the ball on the Bama 1 yard line and had to settle for a FG in regulation.
LSU offense drove the ball once down the field inside the Bama 20. The defensive INT got them inside the 20 the second time.
Bama offense drove the ball inside the LSU 20 once and were forced to kick a FG. Bama got a pick that would have given them the ball inside the LSU 10 except for a penalty.
LSU capitalized on their pick inside the Bama 20. Bama did not. That was the difference.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:08 pm to Wolfhound45
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My gut instinct? If OSU wins out then the human voters put them in over Bama. Not saying I agree with it, but I believe there is a very strong anti-SEC bias that will come out and it will be ugly. Bama is clearly the #2 team in the nation. And the voters will not care in the least bit. Bookmark it
They need a few things to help.
Here's how I see it, if OSU beats OU and:
1) Stanford and VT win out, then OSU has little to no shot of jumping Alabama.
2) VT wins out, but Stanford loses, then either VT or OSU have around a 25-30% shot of jumping Alabama.
3) Stanford wins out, VT loses, then OSU has a 40-50% shot of jumping Alabama
4) Both Stanford and VT lose, then its almost a certainty that OSU jumps Alabama.
Stanford and VT are the variables in the equation that hurt OSU.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:09 pm to KPCrimson
quote:No I am not. I am destroying your what is fair arguement. I mean hell there are 119 teams that don't win the national championship and make excuses why they didn't win this game or that game. Every team at the end of the day can say they were the best and deserved a chance. Your arguement is about the BCS. So I promptly asked you what if VT got ranked ahead of you in the BCS? Would you say it is bullshite? Now let's flip that and say the BCS kept you at number 2 and you played in the national championship. The BCS wouldn't be bullshite then right? Also let me ask you this question what if Bama were to drop to lets say 5th in the polls after the LSU loss and the wound up somewhere around 3-4 in the standings and they were the clear cut obvious best team who goes to the national championship? (all of this is hypothetical of course).
Who gives a flying frick about that? What was Florida ranked when we beat them??? Yeah, you're right that means nothing. What's more important, if we're looking at resumes like that, what's Arky ranked right now? Currently, as in today? You know, week 12? #3 and we beat them worse than Clemson did VATech. You're really reaching with this argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:10 pm to m2pro
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Fair? The world isn't fair. The bcs system is supposed to put the best two teams against each other. Do you agree that Bama is a legitimate #2?
/thread.
No i do not. i have a problem with Bama losing at home, not winning their division, or their conference.
Can't even win your division and want to play for the National Title.
(Course, if Arky wins, all this is moot. Or if Saban shits the bed against Auburn again.)
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:10 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Hey dumas, that's not my logic. THAT'S the LSU fans on this board's logic. EVERYONE on here keeps talking about Bama should be out b/c we were AT HOME and it was for ALL THE MARBLES!!! However, when it comes to teams like Okie State (Actually insert any team not named Bama) according to you specifically that same logic shouldn't apply.
Um . . . .
What happened in November 5th?
See, this where your argument breaks down. Every team except LSU has lost "when its for all the marbles," so you have to look at other factors.
quote:Please tell me you're joking. Would you rather go through the SEC schedule we played or that schedule they played. And I realize it's not your grandaddy's Penn St, but they are at least as good as Arizona which was OK St's OCC game. Give me a freaking break.
And you think Alabama's loss is more forgivable even though they lost at home and have played an easier schedule?
And I don't care if it was home, away, or neutral, when you play the #1 team and lose by a field goal in OT, that loss is better than a terrible ISU team. Not even a discussion about that really.
quote:I know we didn't, and I know that it hurts your argument which is why you didn't want to answer the question. Their schedule is not better than ours and our loss is better than theirs and it's not really close.
You didn't play it.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I think what's most telling is the threads in the 2 weeks BEFORE the game in Tuscaloosa when there was already talk of a possible rematch. The Bama fans in those threads, as I recall, were firmly against a rematch when they still thought they were going to win in Tuscaloosa. They're only changing their minds now because they lost and they want another chance. Understandable. I would too if we had lost. Just like they would be against a rematch if they had won.
Doesn't that work both ways though?
Before the Nov 5th game Alabama fans may have been arguing AGAINST a rematch but I remember LSU and quite a few people in the media arguing FOR an LSU rematch as long as it was a reasonably close loss. It was almost as if the media and some LSU fans were shocked when you did win the game and expected Alabama to plummet from a firm #2 in the rankings nearly out of the top 10.
The other thing that seems a little bit disingenous is this self righteous attitude among many were winning your conference is an absolute requirement to even be in the discussion for a BCS title. I'm actually waiting for someone to start advocating why the Big East champion isn't more deserving of the #2 spot in the BCS instead of Alabama. They did win their conference after all.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:12 pm to arty
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But you have to get to overtime before you can play for it.
Pretty sure we did.
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I'm not counting overtime for Bama or LSU.
That's as bad as Arky fans saying they are 3-1 lately against us even though they are also 3-5 against us lately.
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Playing from the 25 skews all the stats.
Not when both teams get to do it.
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Bama fricked up got a penalty and a sack in OT. That's what did them in.
Actually we did that, not yall.
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LSU offense drove the ball once down the field inside the Bama 20. The defensive INT got them inside the 20 the second time.
How many times did Bama do that?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:13 pm to Wolfhound45
If VT and Stanford don't win out then yeah I'll be very nervous. But if they do then I can't see OSU making up ground. They're getting 6th and 7th place votes. The people voting them 7th won't have them in the top 3......ever.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 1:13 pm to arty
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LSU had the ball on the Bama 1 yard line and had to settle for a FG in regulation.
Time ran out in the half.
Just sayin
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