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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to 756
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to 756
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When you win just about everywhere except the scoreboard it naturally leaves you wondering what if
everywhere? kicking.....
Not only that, but what game do you have to play where you can win WITHOUT winning on the scoreboard? I bet Bama and Oregon would compete in the national championship of that sport.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to Rex Manning
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How is it fair that we have to beat you twice to win the NC but you only have to beat us once?
Life isn't fair.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:33 am to therick711
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Of course you can! You saw your team choke away an opportunity to go the BCSNC untainted. If you luck into a rematch, of course you won't be bothered. You'll be thrilled. You thought you were dead and you were given life. Damn the fact that it makes a mockery of the SEC championship and everything else. By all means let's satisfy the curiosity of Bama fans by letting them try to win a game they lost again. Not only that, let's make the second game the only one that matters while the first game is just some dust on the road of history.
I have to admit, that is a great position to be in. You choked, everyone saw you choke AND you still get a chance to make it right against that same conference opponent.
If you're scared admit it.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:34 am to Colonel Flagg
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So which of the examples are comparable to College football in regards my statement?
I'm asking you that question. You said "that is not how playoff systems work". Which playoff systems are you referring to?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:34 am to Govt Tide
Going in to last weekend, I felt that the "you've already lost to LSU argument" was strong enough to allow several teams in over Bama. I didn't feel that any of them were close to being as good as Alabama, nonetheless, the anti-rematch/anti-SEC/ anti-all defense NCCG sentiment was strong enough that the media could have reasonably gotten away with putting them ahead of Bama. However, this past weekend took out anyone that the media could have semi-logically put ahead of Bama...
Oklahoma- Had they won out and finished with one loss I felt that they should have gone in front of Bama. Their loss was bad (but it wasn't to LSU, which worked in their favor as retarded as it may seem), but they would have finished with a better collection of victories than Bama (OSU, KSU, Baylor, Texas, Mizzou, A&M, Iowa St, Tulsa). They looked pretty dominant at times... and though I thought Bama was obviously better team, I felt that they did enough to deserve a shot, then they lost to Baylor.
Oklahoma State- Even after their loss on Friday, I felt that they could have been used in a "you already lost to LSU argument," but it really depended on Oklahoma coming in to their game as #3 or #4 in the nation. However, a 2 loss barely top 10 Oklahoma just doesn't make for a strong enough statement to finish up with. Their awful loss, paper bag defense, and lack of a real signature win prevents even those that absolutely detest the SEC from reasonably putting them in over Alabama.
Oregon- No matter how they finished I didn't feel that they deserved a rematch over Alabama, but the fact that they were not in the SEC and hadn't played LSU since week 1 could have been enough for the anti-sec types to push them in ahead of Alabama.
Even before things shook out the way that they did this past weekend, there wasn't a team in the nation that actually deserved to play in the game ahead of Bama (aside from an undefeated OSU). Anyone who has really watched college football this season can see that Bama has been the absolute best team that isn't LSU. Yes, they won't win their division, but there's not a team in the nation that would win a division if LSU played in it.
Oklahoma- Had they won out and finished with one loss I felt that they should have gone in front of Bama. Their loss was bad (but it wasn't to LSU, which worked in their favor as retarded as it may seem), but they would have finished with a better collection of victories than Bama (OSU, KSU, Baylor, Texas, Mizzou, A&M, Iowa St, Tulsa). They looked pretty dominant at times... and though I thought Bama was obviously better team, I felt that they did enough to deserve a shot, then they lost to Baylor.
Oklahoma State- Even after their loss on Friday, I felt that they could have been used in a "you already lost to LSU argument," but it really depended on Oklahoma coming in to their game as #3 or #4 in the nation. However, a 2 loss barely top 10 Oklahoma just doesn't make for a strong enough statement to finish up with. Their awful loss, paper bag defense, and lack of a real signature win prevents even those that absolutely detest the SEC from reasonably putting them in over Alabama.
Oregon- No matter how they finished I didn't feel that they deserved a rematch over Alabama, but the fact that they were not in the SEC and hadn't played LSU since week 1 could have been enough for the anti-sec types to push them in ahead of Alabama.
Even before things shook out the way that they did this past weekend, there wasn't a team in the nation that actually deserved to play in the game ahead of Bama (aside from an undefeated OSU). Anyone who has really watched college football this season can see that Bama has been the absolute best team that isn't LSU. Yes, they won't win their division, but there's not a team in the nation that would win a division if LSU played in it.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:35 am to arty
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If you're scared admit it.
Enough of this bullshite. It's the great comeback for Bama fans. First it was STATS!!! Now it's SCARED. Gimme a break.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:35 am to LNCHBOX
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he was saying that winning your conference should get you in the hypothetical playoff that he was talking about. How are you not following this?
Unless the playoff took the big 6 champions and 2 wild cards based on BCS ranking.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:35 am to bona fide
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Which playoff systems are you referring to?
Ignoring my response to this?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:36 am to arwicklu
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Unless the playoff took the big 6 champions and 2 wild cards based on BCS ranking.
Were specifics mentioned? Why do we need wild cards?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:37 am to NaturalBeam
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After ESPN all but guaranteed Bama would be in the game, I could've told you that Vegas would post odds like that.
Surely you are smarter than that. Most of your post history would indicate such, anyway. I have a friend who works for one of the major sports books. They aren't swayed by ESPN, dude. They've got a full staff of analysts to review scenarios, matchups, etc. Those guys aren't watching ESPN to make their guide. They are analyzing the situation and trying to determine how they can make the most money. They don't make money by placing odds on something that ISN'T likely to happen.
Why is LSU a 12+ point favorite against Arky? Because the analysts have been convinced by ESPN that Arky has no chance? Nope. B/c they know that Arky is horrible away from home, they have an offense that is heavily reliant on the passing game, and they are playing a defense that is lights out against the pass.
They use LOGIC and research. That is why the NCG odds are where they are.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:37 am to bamasgot13
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since no one on here is actually a true BCS expert, I'll defer to those who truly are.
I'll put lsumatt's analysis up against Brad Edwards' any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Palm is better than Edwards, but he's no expert.
The problem with media talking head "gurus" is that, like ALL media, they have a mandate to promote whatever corporate/political/etc. messaging is handed to them by their bosses.
If you understand the BCS computers (which I don't fully, but people good at math who have the inclination can easily), it's really not that hard to predict the BCS. All these wildly varying predictions by media "gurus" can't possibly be the result of genuine uncertainty. They are the result of either A) intentional misrepresentation to promote a particular agenda, or B) ridiculously inexcusable ignorance (for a guru).
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:37 am to Colonel Flagg
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I had been saying Oklahoma st or Oklahoma winner the whole time
Has anyone brought up the fact that Okie light will not be the conference champs since the Big 12 wussed out and decided to not have a championship game?
They may be the top team in their conference but they have to play one less game. So they are on par with Alabama not having to play the one extra game. And Alabama losing in overtime to the #1 undefeated team in the nation is a better loss than OSU losing to an unranked 5-4 football team.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:37 am to LNCHBOX
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Enough of this bullshite. It's the great comeback for Bama fans. First it was STATS!!! Now it's SCARED. Gimme a break.
That is all they have. We have the win. We have the inside track. They have a paterno-like adoration for coaches that is borderline delusional. They can't stand that their time to prove it passed and they didn't measure up. So now it is just like Oregon. If Bama lost to Auburn they would still find a way to say they are the second best team.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:38 am to jatebe
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Has anyone brought up the fact that Okie light will not be the conference champs
Whoa whoa whoa, you're saying that OSU won't be the champs after beating OU?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:38 am to Govt Tide
I agree, It is not Bama's fault the BCS is a flawed system. If it is truly supposed to set the best two teams in the country against each other in the BCSNCG, then those teams are LSU & Bama, by a large margin. Bama just gets to take advantage of the flawed system this year, it happens.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:39 am to therick711
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Not only that, but what game do you have to play where you can win WITHOUT winning on the scoreboard?
You can be the better team, win in all the stats and still lose. It happens all the time in the NFL. You can win the number of first downs. Total yards. Passing yards. 3rd down conversions. Time of possession and still lose. The only stat the corndogs won was in the rushing category. And with that I'll tip my hat to them.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:39 am to Tha Truth
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Tha Truth
Dude just put down the most logical, common sense based post in this entire thread. He removed emotion and make a case with his head not his heart.
Congrats.
There won't be a better post than that.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:40 am to LNCHBOX
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Enough of this bullshite. It's the great comeback for Bama fans. First it was STATS!!! Now it's SCARED. Gimme a break.
Why are you hoping for OSU then?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:40 am to arty
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The only stat the corndogs won was in the rushing category
How about field goals, net punting, and score?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 10:41 am to arty
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Why are you hoping for OSU then?
Because we don't want to have to embarrass you twice. We're nice like that.
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