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Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:53 pm to tuptiger
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:53 pm to tuptiger
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tuptiger
You once said.....
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Mcelroy developed into the PERFECT Saban quarterback over the course of the year. He is accurate off of play action; he can run for a first down or two every game; and, most importantly, he has not turned the ball over many times. I still hate him though.
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If I were a Bama fan, I would trade Mcerloy and Ingram for Mallett, and I believe that I would have improved my team.
I think you're full of shite and like the sound of your own voice.
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Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:57 pm to arrakis
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Mcelroy developed into the PERFECT Saban quarterback over the course of the year. He is accurate off of play action;
This is absolutely accurate. Saban wants a quarterback like Mcelroy, for whatever reason. Just because he is the perfect Saban quarterback doesn't mean he is a good quarterback.
Last time I checked, I could not hear the sound of my voice when I typed...
This post was edited on 8/14/10 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:58 pm to tuptiger
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However, speaking as someone who believes they have watched enough football to identify a good quarterback, you would not trade Mcelroy for Mallett if, hypothetically, you could trade quarterbacks? I would trade Patrick Peterson and Jordan Jefferson for Mallett and Ramon Broadway. If I were a Bama fan, I would trade Mcerloy and Ingram for Mallett, and I believe that I would have improved my team.
I don't understand Alabama fans, and I never have, and arguments like this one are the very reason why I don't understand Alabama fans and have grown to hate the U of Alabama. Many are blind devotees who are quick to defend their university's "pride", which is apparently wrapped up in their football team and its players. It's sad, actually, that many within a fan base will canonize a quarterback who's so outstandingly average, yet two years ago, JPW played pretty good football and they almost excommunicated him.
This argument of trading is futile. I'm not going to argue that he is better than Mallett. That is silly. But he doesn't suck as you say and is way better than you give him credit for.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:59 pm to tuptiger
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And your team would be the worse for it...
You are a nutjob. My team has just come off of winning the national championship and going undefeated in the best conference in the nation, with this QB leading them.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:04 pm to tuptiger
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Actually, I'm arguing that any realistic comparison between Mallett and Mcelroy is fruitless.
Of course. It would negate any point you're trying to make. Fact is this. He had a more successful season in SEC play than the highly touted future 1st round draft choice Ryan Mallett. He had better numbers than Jordan Jefferson. He outplayed the wonderful Jevan Snead and went on to finish 14-0, while finishing 2nd all time in the SEC with TD to INT ratio. McElroy is a good QB whether you want to face it or not, and from the need to start a new thread in response to my posting his numbers to Mallett's... it looks like you'll be in denial for quite awhile.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:05 pm to Alahunter
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Fact is this. He had a more successful season in SEC play than the highly touted future 1st round draft choice Ryan Mallett
WTfrick are you talking about?
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:07 pm to Slut Hog
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WTfrick are you talking about?
This:
In SEC play here are their stats:
Mallett
139-272 passing for 51%
15 TD's and 6 Int's
2189 yds
McElroy
140-234 passing for 60%
12 TD's and 3 Int's
1723 yds
McElroy had a better completion rate. Mallett had 10 of his TD's against Ga and Miss St. Mallett had double the interceptions, in only 38 more pass attempts.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:08 pm to Slut Hog
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WTfrick are you talking about?
He's talking about national championship rings. Mallett doesn't have one. Therefore, he's worse than Mcelroy.
By many Bama fans' logic, Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:10 pm to tuptiger
No. I'm talking about.. in 38% of the season.. Mallett tossed the ball for less than 40% completions. He buckled under good competition. McElroy against 4 of the same teams as competition had better completion and TD's and less INT's than Mallett did.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:12 pm to Alahunter
Mallett played in Gainseville. Mcelroy played UF in Atlanta. Mcelroy played Arky at home. Mallett played in Tuscaloosa. Mcelroy played LSU at home. Mallett played @LSU.
Get the picture?
Get the picture?
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:13 pm to tuptiger
Here's the guy you'd trade an undefeated QB and Heisman winner for:
Mallett's games of less than 50% completions:
Bama 34%
Florida 44%
Ole Miss 35%
Lsu 44%
East Carolina 42%
mutual opponents that GMac threw against
Florida 66%
Lsu 56%
Ole Miss 44% (the only game he threw for less than 50% and still better than Mallett's performance against them)
You're very knowledgeable... right.
Mallett's games of less than 50% completions:
Bama 34%
Florida 44%
Ole Miss 35%
Lsu 44%
East Carolina 42%
mutual opponents that GMac threw against
Florida 66%
Lsu 56%
Ole Miss 44% (the only game he threw for less than 50% and still better than Mallett's performance against them)
You're very knowledgeable... right.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:13 pm to tuptiger
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Get the picture?
Yeah.. you got your argument blasted the hell to pieces so you're using ohh.. he played on the road more line now.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:24 pm to Alahunter
If you're going to argue McElroy vs Mallet you should use their stats against common opponents (MSU, OM, LSU, AU, USCe, UF). I'm not arguing that McElroy is better, because frankly he isn't.
106/198(54%) 1,621 yards 18 TDs 4 INTs
90/155(58%) 1,164 yards 7 TDs 3 INTs
106/198(54%) 1,621 yards 18 TDs 4 INTs
90/155(58%) 1,164 yards 7 TDs 3 INTs
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:25 pm to Deuce3702
I did. Go back and look. South Carolina is the only game he performed better. In 5 games, Mallett threw for under 45% completions. McElroy did once, against Ole Miss, for 44% and while that was bad, Mallett against Ole Miss was 35%.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:26 pm to Deuce3702
Also look. 10 of his TD's were against Miss St and Georgia, that left him with 5 TD's against the remaing 6 SEC teams. Mallett, last yr is living off lighting up weak teams and that's it. It may change this year, but 5 games... FIVE GAMES, he couldn't complete 45% of his passes. In fact, over those five games, he had a completion rate of 39%
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Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:45 pm to Alahunter
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Mallett had double the interceptions, in only 38 more pass attempts.
He also had 466 more yards, in only 38 more pass attempts.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:46 pm to Slut Hog
And nearly two times as many INT's.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:49 pm to Alahunter
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South Carolina is the only game he performed better
But he had more yards and more touchdowns against common opponents. Why are you ONLY using completion %? That's not the be all, end all of qb stats.
Mallett performed better in every game against common opponents.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:50 pm to Alahunter
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two times as many INT's
And Mallett had more touchdowns. Isn't that the definition of helping your team? Ya know, scoring?
This post was edited on 8/14/10 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 8/14/10 at 9:52 pm to Slut Hog
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Why are you ONLY using completion %? That's not the be all, end all of qb stats.
Mallett performed better in every game against common opponents.
I'm not. He threw for less TD's too. He padded his stats against Georgia (73rd ranked pass defense) and Miss St(66th pass defense). Against ALL other SEC teams he faced, he threw for 2 TD's, once. Against Auburn. He threw for only 1 TD against the other 5. And completion percentages matter. If you're 3 and out, you're not exactly being good for your team.
This post was edited on 8/14/10 at 9:53 pm
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