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re: The truth about Mcelroy...
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:23 pm to tuptiger
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:23 pm to tuptiger
Per Coach Saban,
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the past two Crimson Tide quarterbacks to win a national title -- Jay Barker (1992) and McElroy (2009) -- were similar in that neither was flashy or took risks. Both managed the offense rather than starring in it.
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Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:23 pm to bamascott2
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Not an apples to apples comparison. You're mentally deficient if you do not see that you cannot make a fair comparison between Mallett and Mcelroy.
You're just mentally deficient.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:25 pm to tuptiger
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I don't know what exactly Greg Mcelroy is capable of; that's a ridiculous question.
Hmm that's funny. You don't know his capabilities, yet you're able to tell me he is only a "game-manager." I challenge you to find me another QB that had comparable stats as a first year starter in the SEC.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:26 pm to bamascott2
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he didn't crack 60 yards on Texas.
He didn't have to do anymore than that
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:26 pm to Bamascoopfan
Saban said this about AJ McCarron, but it could also apply to Mallet or other gunslinger QB's.
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"Sometimes guys with arm talent, they think they can get it in there no matter what," Saban said. "Those are the kind of things you've got to learn and grow through so that you can play winning football at your position. What is more important: Playing winning football at your position or making a great play? Well, if you're taking a big risk trying to make a great play, and it doesn't work out, too many of those make you not a successful guy at your position."
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:27 pm to jatebe
Coach Saban is exactly right. However, if a team were composed of players all with the ability of Greg Mcelroy at their respective positions, that team would be competitive in the Sun Belt at best.
My point is this: STOP CREATING GREG MCELROY INTO SOMETHING HE IS NOT.
You had a great team last year. Just because you had a great team last year does not mean that every player who played meaningful minutes on that team is a great player. Greg Mcelroy sucks. Deal with it. Few teams are perfect. Your team was not perfect. Save me the, "we were undefeated". That does not mean your team was perfect. It only means that you had a perfect record.
My point is this: STOP CREATING GREG MCELROY INTO SOMETHING HE IS NOT.
You had a great team last year. Just because you had a great team last year does not mean that every player who played meaningful minutes on that team is a great player. Greg Mcelroy sucks. Deal with it. Few teams are perfect. Your team was not perfect. Save me the, "we were undefeated". That does not mean your team was perfect. It only means that you had a perfect record.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:28 pm to jatebe
:yak:
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:29 pm to tuptiger
You sure seem to know a lot for someone who admittedly says he knows nothing. If you truly think Greg "sucks" then your bias has clouded your judgment past the point of reasoning.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:30 pm to Deuce3702
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You don't know his capabilities, yet you're able to tell me he is only a "game-manager."
I said that judging from his performance last year in games versus at least decent competition, he was nothing more than a game manager.
He maybe capable of a lot more. We'll see this year.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:31 pm to Deuce3702
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You sure seem to know a lot for someone who admittedly says he knows nothing
Where did I say that I know nothing?
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:31 pm to Deuce3702
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I challenge you to find me another QB that had comparable stats as a first year starter in the SEC.
Uh..Ryan Mallett, dipshit. And they weren't comparable, Mallett's stats were actually way better.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:32 pm to tuptiger
You have said in this thread you don't know Greg's capabilities. Yet you are able to deduce that a team full of Greg McElroys would only be competitive in the Sun Belt Conference (or w/e) and that he "sucks." You can't have it both ways hoss.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:35 pm to Slut Hog
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Uh..Ryan Mallett, dipshit. And they weren't comparable, Mallett's stats were actually way better.
Mallet had a lower completion % and more INTs. Sure he had more TDs as well, but far from being "way better."
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:36 pm to Deuce3702
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You have said in this thread you don't know Greg's capabilities
...which doesn't mean that I know nothing
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Yet you are able to deduce that a team full of Greg McElroys would only be competitive in the Sun Belt Conference (or w/e) and that he "sucks.
The comment about the Sun Belt was hyperbole used to make a point. Or was it? I don't know. You got me.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:37 pm to Deuce3702
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Mallet had a lower completion % and more INTs. Sure he had more TDs as well, but far from being "way better."
...BUT, and I know you understand, Mallett did not have the added advantage of Bama's defense and Bama's running game, which is a variable no one can account for.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:39 pm to tuptiger
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...BUT, and I know you understand, Mallett did not have the added advantage of Bama's defense and Bama's running game, which is a variable no one can account for.
His point was that they were "way better" and yet they clearly were not. I'm not here to argue hypothetically.
This post was edited on 8/14/10 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:45 pm to tuptiger
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tuptiger
You did know that Greg passed for 4,636 yards, 57 TD's, 9 intercepts as a starter in high school. He lead his team to an undefeated season (16-0) and a Texas 5A state championship. He was named the Texas 5A Player of the Year and an EA Sports All-American.
McElroy's 56 touchdown passes ranks first all-time in the Texas 5A classification, and second all-time in Texas high school football history, only behind Graham Harrell's 67 touchdowns in 2003. His 4,646 yards passing currently ranks fifth all-time in Texas.
Then he comes to Alabama and his first year starting he leads his team to an undefeated (14-0) SEC and National Championship. He earned MVP for the SEC Championship game.
There are not a lot of QB's in the nation that can claim a portion of what McElroy has earned.
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:45 pm to Deuce3702
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Now we are talking hypothetically. There is no way to know how Mallett would have done as Bama's QB and vice-versa for McElroy at Arkansas.
Actually, I'm arguing that any realistic comparison between Mallett and Mcelroy is fruitless.
However, speaking as someone who believes they have watched enough football to identify a good quarterback, you would not trade Mcelroy for Mallett if, hypothetically, you could trade quarterbacks? I would trade Patrick Peterson and Jordan Jefferson for Mallett and Ramon Broadway. If I were a Bama fan, I would trade Mcerloy and Ingram for Mallett, and I believe that I would have improved my team.
I don't understand Alabama fans, and I never have, and arguments like this one are the very reason why I don't understand Alabama fans and have grown to hate the U of Alabama. Many are blind devotees who are quick to defend their university's "pride", which is apparently wrapped up in their football team and its players. It's sad, actually, that many within a fan base will canonize a quarterback who's so outstandingly average, yet two years ago, JPW played pretty good football and they almost excommunicated him.
This post was edited on 8/14/10 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:49 pm to tuptiger
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If I were a Bama fan, I would trade Mcerloy and Ingram for Mallett,
I'm a Bama fan through and through, and as to that, I say Hell No!
Posted on 8/14/10 at 8:53 pm to jatebe
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I'm a Bama fan through and through, and as to that, I say Hell No!
And your team would be the worse for it...
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