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re: The sports media and the united movement are more liberal, Communist fronted groups
Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:42 am to TigerAlum2006
Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:42 am to TigerAlum2006
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I’m confused. Are you just confirming for me that you’re steeped in rightwing conspiracy theories? Who is taking us over from the inside? If there are puppet’s, who’s the international puppet master? I just need this on record...
Occam’s razor would support the idea that profit (clicks, ads, etc.) can explain most of media behavior.
You're confused because apparently you didn't understand the words "Not saying we are under a puppet government". I was just saying how it's done.
Further than that, I didn't realize these were "rightwing conspiracy theories". As I gave you historical examples of how it happens.
Occam's razor only works in the absence of other evidence. Open up a fricking history book.
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:50 am to 3down10
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Further than that, I didn't realize these were "rightwing conspiracy theories". As I gave you historical examples of how it happens.
You said something about the U.S. installing a puppet government in Iran. I understand that historical example. I was asking you to do the intellectual work of connecting that nation-to-nation example to who exactly and who globally (I think that was your claim, anyway) is installing a puppet. Because the historical conspiracy theories about that kind of thing are typically anti-Semitic. So, I'm trying to figure out if that's the route you're going. (I would hope not. But that's the rightwing narrative that's playing out...again.)
Also, no. Occam's razor works here. So far your "other evidence" is some handwaving about Iran. That's not evidence if you don't connect it to your claim in a clear way. At the end of the day, corporate media doing whatever they can to make a profit is an explanation that works nicely here—and it's very much in line with the basic ideas of capitalism.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 12:53 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:00 am to TigerAlum2006
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That you think their are two sides here...whew...that explains a lot about your own media diet.
Oh come on. Don’t be so obtuse. We live in a divided country, almost exactly 50/50 split.
My point was actually in favor of NOT digesting biased news sources.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:09 am to stomp
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Exactly. And that's why it's silly to believe sports media wants football cancelled. Nobody wants to cut off billions of revenue. But if the possibility exists, it's going to be reported and opined on.
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Joel Klatt
@joelklatt
Many in the CFB media have worked hard to push panic and fear...Seeing many prominent players push back tonight...good for them!
10:44 PM · Aug 8, 2020
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:14 am to Mohican
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Oh come on. Don’t be so obtuse. We live in a divided country, almost exactly 50/50 split.
That's exactly my point. Maybe your media diet tells you that there's a 50/50 split. Mine (for sure) points out that American politics have slid to the right over the past few decades. And there's an emergent left that outflanks the centrist / corporate Democrats. And there's always been a healthy far right wing (nativists, KKK, lily white movement, etc.). All that just doesn't show up in corporate media polls that ask questions about "which political party..." I blame a corporate media (that has both liberal and conservative tendencies underneath it's overall drive for profit) for this misrepresentation of our country's actual politics.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:59 am to Shaft Williams
Look at what sabah did
Promoted the democrat harm against the patriots of America and especially of Alabama
And not fired ???
Well massive push back against u of ala is here
Promoted the democrat harm against the patriots of America and especially of Alabama
And not fired ???
Well massive push back against u of ala is here
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:14 am to el gato
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Mainstream media refers to large, conglomerate news organizations -- mainly newspapers and broadcast media. In recent years there have been mergers and acquisitions by various companies that have resulted in a "Big Five" that controls most of the news and information, and the way it is reported and disseminated. The five conglomerates are Comcast/NBC, Disney, Fox, WarnerMedia/AT&T, and Viacom/CBS. They all have an agenda.
Yes they do. To make as much god damn money as they possibly can. That’s 99.99999% of the worlds “agenda”. News media doesn’t give a shite about political affiliation. They only care about what generates the most interest and therefore the most money.
This conspiracy theory shite needs to go away. You can literally make up a conspiracy theory about anything. It’s like the numerology bullshite. You can make anything fit into numerology. I can connect you to the murder of JonBenet Ramsey or the Zodiac Killer Through numerology. It doesn’t make any of it true.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:16 am to Mithridates6
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I think they might see the virus issue as a useful front for eliminating amateur status. Not saying that I disagree with that ipso facto, but it seems like it would strengthen the hand of large corporations over leagues and universities in negotiations
The “amateur status” of college football should have been eliminated decades ago.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:24 am to Mohican
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Not destroy the world, but if you don’t see that there is an effort to completely undermine America as the lone superpower and move away from nationalism towards globalism I dont know what to tell you. Maybe you’re not up on political history and events, and the ebbs and flows of things in governments. If you aren’t it’s probably hard to pick up these patterns that seem so blatantly obvious to many people.
Globalism is an inevitability. As technology increases, the world gets metaphorically smaller. The internet has and will continue to play a huge roll in globalization. Think about it. The internet gives easy access to anyone around the world. You can interact with people from countries that the majority of people would have never been able to interact with prior to the internet. Friendships between people of different countries are made. People learn than as a majority, humans are not that different. In my time on this planet, I’ve had the privilege of traveling all over this globe and spending a great deal of time with people of many other cultures. It was shocking to discover just how similar the average persons day to day life is regardless of what country they are from. I have many friends from many countries that I made during my travels that I still keep up with.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:32 am to Mohican
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I didn’t bring him up but you’re right. No other president would have dared confront China or many other trade partners like he has. But let’s also look at how there has been an unceasing attempt to undo Trumps presidency before Day 1. I can’t describe it as anything other than a coup attempt. Trump was a threat to status quo.
You need to face the harsh truth that America can not win a war against China. Neither side could win that war without permanently crippling or outright destroying itself in the process.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:34 am to Mohican
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Oh come on. Don’t be so obtuse. We live in a divided country, almost exactly 50/50 split.
Don't get political party outcomes mixed up with ideological groupings. The latter is far more complicated than the former.
If you don't believe me, go to your local gun range and ask any 2A supporter how they feel about federal deficit spending and sex before marriage.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 5:06 am to Mohican
That 50 50. Is men on one side and easy to fool women on the other
Who do you think will win
Yep open up a history book !!
Who do you think will win
Yep open up a history book !!
Posted on 8/9/20 at 5:25 am to BuckFama334
Or....or, they care about the lives of the players and personnel instead of pieces on a chessboard. Just a thought.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:37 am to J2thaROC
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Let me get this straight. You think the sports media is trying to destroy something that makes up a large chunk of their revenue because reasons?
News Flash: Ideology often clashes with a persons best interest. To wit, teachers union's supporting abortion.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:03 am to J2thaROC
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Yes they do. To make as much god damn money as they possibly can. That’s 99.99999% of the worlds “agenda”. News media doesn’t give a shite about political affiliation. They only care about what generates the most interest and therefore the most money.
This conspiracy theory shite needs to go away. You can literally make up a conspiracy theory about anything. It’s like the numerology bull shite. You can make anything fit into numerology. I can connect you to the murder of JonBenet Ramsey or the Zodiac Killer Through numerology. It doesn’t make any of it true.
The news media doesn’t give a shite about political affiliation? Tell that to the New York Times.
Some of you guys are naive. Again, the media has unbelievable power to shape the culture and public opinion - and they have historically ALWAYS used that power.
They can make a profit at the same time as long as the public remains naive. Hell ESPN has had essentially a monopoly on sports and is owned by Disney. They are well past pure profit as being the only motive necessary.
I remember the ESPN of Stuart Scott. Bring back “boo yahs” and touchdowns. frick all the unnecessary political and racial narration that has nothing to do with who won the game.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:08 am to J2thaROC
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Yes they do. To make as much god damn money as they possibly can. That’s 99.99999% of the worlds “agenda”. News media doesn’t give a shite about political affiliation. They only care about what generates the most interest and therefore the most money
If this is true why is a great majority of the media on one side of the floor? There's money to be made on both sides so why did the media decide to jump on the side of the minority? "Republicans buy sneakers too". Could it have to do with the fact that they are on that side politically? Saying it's all about making money is painting a broad picture instead of detailing it inch by inch. The money will be there no matter what. The media conglomerates just get a majority of theirs from one side of the political spectrum so therefore they push that side. Facts are not conspiracy theory. The facts are what birth them.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:28 am to lsufanva
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If this is true why is a great majority of the media on one side of the floor? There's money to be made on both sides so why did the media decide to jump on the side of the minority?
One more time: Corporate media is about profit. It has both liberal AND conservative tendencies.
One tendency that leaned right most recently? Trump got far and above the most campaign coverage the last presidential election cycle, helping him rise to power. LINK
One tendency that leans left that seems to get the goat of (white) dudes on this board? I wrote about it earlier: the America public is slowly changing its ideas about gender and sexuality. Any public opinion poll will show that gay marriage most recently has become accepted. You write about the “side of the minority”...but people who would argue against LGBT rights are in the minority these days, bub. And speaking of minority: America is less white than it’s ever been. That means narratives that purely serve white people’s interest are less and less profitable. Again, you’re in the minority now. Media both shapes but also responds to these shifts—to make money.
If ESPN were truly as liberal (and not focused primarily on profit) as you claim, then we’d see women’s sports getting equal primetime play and attention. But we don’t. Because ESPN wants to make money, not purely push a liberal agenda.
The OP claimed that white liberal communists run ESPN. That’s false. Profit is king.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:33 am to TigerLunatik
I’m sure if the media is so intent on having college football we will start getting stories rolling in about the mom and pop in Stillwater Oklahoma that covers its bills by football season. Or about the Iowa athletic association which kept playing without significant incident. Or about how many kids won’t have any exposure for the draft which is the ability to change their own lives and their family’s lives.
Those stories are rolling in let me tell you.
No instead we are getting tweets “there is a growing tide to cancel the season” “sources say there is no way to have a season”
So tell me again. What are the journalists rooting for?
Those stories are rolling in let me tell you.
No instead we are getting tweets “there is a growing tide to cancel the season” “sources say there is no way to have a season”
So tell me again. What are the journalists rooting for?
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:44 am to TigerAlum2006
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One tendency that leaned right most recently? Trump got far and above the most campaign coverage the last presidential election cycle, helping him rise to power.
Now do how much of that coverage was negative.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:50 am to TigerAlum2006
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One tendency that leans left that seems to get the goat of (white) dudes on this board? I wrote about it earlier: the America public is slowly changing its ideas about gender and sexuality. Any public opinion poll will show that gay marriage most recently has become accepted. You write about the “side of the minority”...but people who would argue against LGBT rights are in the minority these days, bub. And speaking of minority: America is less white than it’s ever been. That means narratives that purely serve white people’s interest are less and less profitable. Again, you’re in the minority now. Media both shapes but also responds to these shifts—to make money.
You admitted earlier that ESPN has a liberal bias. Kudos for that as we all agree.
I believe we also agree that Americas views on gender and sexuality are changing, and that the media/Hollywood/entertainment cultural spheres are largely responsible for that. Whether profit driven or not, it's a reality.
I believe what "gets the goat of white dudes" is not so much that Americas views are changing, but that the results of this constant force-fed narrative are deleterious to the country and to sports. And all one has to do is look at the results. America is certainly more divided now than I've seen it in my lifetime.
The constant seperation of fellow countrymen and women into groups seems to be driving us apart, rather than bringing us together.
So, in conclusion, we don't want it in our beloved football. We don't want kneeling during the national anthem or #BLM painted on pitchers mounds. Because we see the results of that.
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