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re: The sports media and the united movement are more liberal, Communist fronted groups

Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by Drizzt
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:12 pm to
Don’t let the idiots get you down. Preach brother.
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Posted by GoblinGuide
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:13 pm to
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What do sports networks have to do with what he claimed?



Sports networks are still a part of the sports media that OP is claiming is trying to destroy College Football, yes?
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:21 pm to
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What power does a sports network with no sports to cover have exactly?


I think the OP is a little overboard, but you do understand that while ESPN is a "Sports Network", it's owned by Disney and the majority of the media on TV is owned by only a few companies. Basically 5 or 6 companies control the US via the media.

And they keep giving themselves more and more power. Remember when they did campaign finance reform? Sounds good right? Well what it actually did was give the cable companies that run news 24/7 more control over the elections because they get to control the narrative easier. Just for a second try to put an advertising price on that kind of coverage. Meanwhile if the people wanted to spend money to compete, you are limited in donations etc. This of course was to supposedly stop companies from having majory influence in the elections, but of course that means - unless approved by the media and that agenda.

There is definitely a control element going on with the media.

I don't think the made the virus or that they are trying to shut things down or whatever. I think it's more like an ambulance chasing lawyer who just waits for something to happen, then tries to capitalize on it. And it's happening all over.

They purposely lied to the public with the death rates at the start of the corona. Why?

1 month they are wanting to arrest people for going to church or going to the beach or whatever. Then the next minute they are telling people to go protest.

Why do they not put people who will tell you many of the things going on with covid is wrong? Credible and respectable members of the scientific community are ignored and never given TV time. They will only show those who have doom and gloom.

So while they may not be trying to shut down college football to hurt black people, there is clearly some agenda being pushed right now.
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:24 pm to
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They all have an agenda.


Yeah, their agenda is profit. And these corporate conglomerates aren’t compatible with Communism. But they are compatible with neoliberalism. The governmental state exists but only to prop up corporate interests. None of these corporate media entities support communism. Heck, they’re scared of Elizabeth Warren. And she’s a capitalist through and through.

You see, there are critiques of corporate, for-profit media from both the left and the right. I’m afraid the reality isn’t some kind of global communist cabal. It’s just a bunch of people up and down the corporate food chain who want to profit and maintain the status quo as much as possible. Even the liberal members of the media, by and large, are quite comfortable with the status quo.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 1:49 am
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:29 pm to
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I dont completely doubt there are forces that want this, but if that were the case across the board, why is Trump's opponent running on a nationalist platform?



Wolves in sheeps clothing etc.

Which means things are never labeled for what they are. They are always wrapped in words/phrases that sound good to the public. "Patriot Act" for example, on something that takes away the rights of people. "Affordable Healthcare Act" on something that makes it more expensive and gives insurance companies guaranteed customers.

If they labeled it the "We gonna spy on you legally now Act" that wouldn't pass. Nor would "We gonna bend you over for the insurance companies Act".

Unfortunately, it seems most people take labels at face value. Which is why it works.

Politics is the real sorcery of this world.
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:32 pm to
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There is an effort to undermine nationalism across the world. It is happening via culture and media manipulation and propaganda.


Definitely not the case in corporate, for-profit media. No way. Check out any actual left-ish critique of American media (e.g., Citations Needed, Young Turks) and you’ll hear all about how corporate media (news, movies, etc.) is all in on nationalism.

Here’s the thing. Some folks on here have got to get beyond the talking points from Fox and InfoWars and OAN. The “media is all liberal” narrative just doesn’t hold up. It’s much more complicated than that—except in one respect: all media outlets want clicks and ads and revenue. That’s the unifying theme.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:35 pm to
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and the Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad


They were fricking nuts long before they came to mainstream attention: Elijah Muhammad was fricking bat shite crazy and so was the dumb frick that started that cult
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:37 pm to
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You haven't been paying attention, they badly want to be "proven right" by having the season cancelled. Personally I'm beyond caring, but it's been obvious




Sports media is directly financially affected by not having college football. It is asinine to believe they would advocate to cancel the season.

It would be akin to a logistics company advocating for road closures.

It makes 0 sense.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:38 pm to
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why is Trump's opponent running on a nationalist platform?


Biden has been in DC for 40 years. Biden is beholden to the very same forces that have been cultivated over those decades. Those forces are international, not national. Biden has little control over his own faculties right now, much less any platform.

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Trump's lasting legacy will be the restoration of American econonic nationalism. It's become too popular (and damn long overdue) to ignore.


I didn’t bring him up but you’re right. No other president would have dared confront China or many other trade partners like he has. But let’s also look at how there has been an unceasing attempt to undo Trumps presidency before Day 1. I can’t describe it as anything other than a coup attempt. Trump was a threat to status quo.

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All that said, I still don't know how any of this connects with some sports media folks not burying their heads in the sand like the rest of the South tried to do all sum



Maybe not much outside of their connection to mainstream media, the same or similar editing process and boardroom meetings that set agendas and then tying them to the takeover of sports by cultural Marxist groups and ESPNs extreme leftist bent.

I don’t think there’s an area of cultural significance where this all isn’t playing out. Many may see it in places where it may be less so or is more tone than substance especially when it comes to the sport we love. Threats to normalcy are perceived emotionally as threats to survival.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22668 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:40 pm to
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Definitely not the case in corporate, for-profit media. No way. Check out any actual left-ish critique of American media (e.g., Citations Needed, Young Turks) and you’ll hear all about how corporate media (news, movies, etc.) is all in on nationalism.

Here’s the thing. Some folks on here have got to get beyond the talking points from Fox and InfoWars and OAN. The “media is all liberal” narrative just doesn’t hold up. It’s much more complicated than that—except in one respect: all media outlets want clicks and ads and revenue. That’s the unifying theme.


Is it the country itself and it's borders that are being attacked, or is it everything about the country, the freedoms and all that which is being attacked?

Ever heard the phrase "Puppet Government"? It's where you keep the appearance of a separate country while actually controlling it. You still speak to the nationalism of the country, but you control everything in it so that it's not really the same country anymore.

Not saying we are under a puppet government, but rather that's the concept of how you do that without using a military. Check out what we did to Iran for example.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 11:41 pm
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:44 pm to
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The “media is all liberal” narrative just doesn’t hold up



Does ESPN have a liberal bias?
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:46 pm to
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Not saying we are under a puppet government, but rather that's the concept of how you do that without using a military. Check out what we did to Iran for example.


I’m confused. Are you just confirming for me that you’re steeped in rightwing conspiracy theories? Who is taking us over from the inside? If there are puppet’s, who’s the international puppet master? I just need this on record...

Occam’s razor would support the idea that profit (clicks, ads, etc.) can explain most of media behavior.
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:56 pm to
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Here’s the thing. Some folks on here have got to get beyond the talking points from Fox and InfoWars and OAN. The “media is all liberal” narrative just doesn’t hold up. It’s much more complicated than that—except in one respect: all media outlets want clicks and ads and revenue. That’s the unifying theme.


Exactly. And that's why it's silly to believe sports media wants football cancelled. Nobody wants to cut off billions of revenue. But if the possibility exists, it's going to be reported and opined on.

I know it's hard to grasp from the crowd that always needs an enemy to fight, but there is no communist, socialist, globalist, boogyman in sports media.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 11:59 pm
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:56 pm to
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Occam’s razor would support the idea that profit (clicks, ads, etc.) can explain most of media behavior.




The media has played probably the single most powerful role in every revolution throughout history. It’s unbelievable the power that’s in the hands of the press, especially the widely distributed press.

But let’s assume their only agenda is profit. There is certainly profit in a divisive, fervent, foam-at-the-mouth culture war. They have had the biggest role in fomenting it for sure. I blame them most for the division we’re seeing now. They are a problem. Neither side should trust them.
Posted by el gato
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Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:57 pm to
You can debate Marxism with the other posters on here who have a different veiwpoint than your own, or you can wait for backslaps from those that agree. No one will change anyones mind, regardless, but have at it.

As for the conglomerates, whatever the agenda, journalism has become a thing of the past and having a small handful of entities controlling the way news is made available is Orwellian.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:57 pm to
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Does ESPN have a liberal bias?


Define "liberal bias" and let's see if it applies...
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:09 am to
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Define "liberal bias" and let's see if it applies...


I would define it as interjecting politics into a traditionally apolitical subject. “Liberal” is more compelled to see daily life as a battle between social hierarchies, so they feel compelled to promote social justice and use sports as an avenue to affect change. Seeing America as a traditionally oppressive country and highlighting perceived inequalities in their particular field. Supportive of Kaepernick, BLM, #Metoo, LGBTQ, etc.
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:24 am to
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Does ESPN have a liberal bias?


Did I say it didn’t have liberal tendencies? Nope. I wouldn’t say that. Because it wouldn’t be true. It has both liberal and conservative tendencies.

But is it part of a secret leftist / Communist plot to undo America? Nope.

Does it exist to make tons of money? Yup. That, then, explains the politics of ESPN. Whether you like it or not, the stories about, by, and for gay athletes and women athletes and Black athletes are more and more prominent because...America is less homophobic, less sexist, and less white these days. ESPN, like a number of media outlets, in search of profit, will both respond to and shape those changes. To make money.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 1:55 am
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:30 am to
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Neither side should trust them.


That you think their are two sides here...whew...that explains a lot about your own media diet. Yes, we have a two-party system in this country. But people are more complicated than that. Most are, anyway. Unless they’ve been radicalized. Then, yeah, it’s you at your end of the spectrum and everyone to the left of you.
Posted by TigerAlum2006
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:37 am to
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As for the conglomerates, whatever the agenda, journalism has become a thing of the past and having a small handful of entities controlling the way news is made available is Orwellian.


Hey, I imagine plenty of folks would agree with you, liberal or not. Consolidated control of media? Propped up by the governmental state that pretends to preside over a pretend free market that is actually tightly controlled by rich elites? That’s late stage capitalism. And, yes, it’s Orwellian.

You’ve got folks out here sky screaming about Communism while we’re actually moving to the same outcome—with the few controlling all aspects of society—with our emerging oligarchic capitalism.
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