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re: The problem with Florida and Kiffin… money.

Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:09 am to
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:09 am to
All of them.
Posted by RebelExpress38
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:11 am to
The point is Florida fires coaches the first sign that they have a down year. You can say “trajectory” blah blah but why would lane sign up for an unreasonable fan base when he can do whatever he wants in Oxford and still make the playoffs? If we have a down year next year after a huge roster turnover breaking in new starters nobody is going to yell at our AD to fire lane like they have recently done at Florida.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:12 am to
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The problem with Florida and Kiffin… money.


Do you really believe that UF and the boosters don't have enough money to do this? They will probably offer Kiffin a blank check and endless NIL budget to come to Gainesville.
I don't believe he takes it, but it won't be because of money or lack thereof.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:15 am to
I’ve heard Kiffin has a buyout clause that kicks in…new school pays out his contract and give ~$30+ million to Ole Miss. The first part seems like you can do that with his salary…the second…oh frick off.

With Napier’s $26 million that would be a bunch.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:16 am to
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The point is Florida fires coaches the first sign that they have a down year.


Wrong, Florida fires coaches after not seeing improvement and a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't a train. All that was expected from Napier this year was to be better than last year in play calling, execution, organization, etc. This team is in most areas worse than his first two seasons. He sold UF a bill of goods that has proven to be false.
Posted by RebelTheBear
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:17 am to
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factor in the level of interest Dan Mullen has shown in coaching in the NIL era

This is where I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the current football landscape. High school recruiting is NOT as important in the NIL era as it was during the prime BCS era. I see a lot of talking heads say that portal recruiting isn't sustainable, but look at where portal recruiting has taken Ole Miss over the past four seasons. We're on pace to win 40 games from 2021-2024 while we only won 20 games from 2017-2020. If the expanded playoffs would have been around since 2021, we would have already made the playoffs twice and are in a good spot to make it again this season.

Also, the great thing about the portal is while we will have a down year once every 3-4 seasons, we'll still win 8ish games and be right back to playoff contention the following season.

Argue all you want about whether Florida is a better job than Ole Miss, but Kiffin has proven that you can win 10+ games per year at Ole Miss and have a shot at winning a national title every few years. Why would he give that up to go to Florida where there is insane pressure to produce the exact same results he's already producing here? Do people really think Florida is just going to become a national power again when the SEC landscape is tougher now than it ever has been? I don't see it, especially with Georgia and Tennessee being as good as they are right now.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:19 am
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:18 am to
I’ve heard Kiffin has a buyout clause that kicks in…new school pays out his contract and give ~$30+ million to Ole Miss

Link, or just hearsay? I have heard that he has a 4 million buyout unless he is fired, then Ole Miss owes him a ton of money.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:20 am
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:22 am to
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I’ve heard Kiffin has a buyout clause that kicks in…new school pays out his contract and give ~$30+ million to Ole Miss. The first part seems like you can do that with his salary…the second…oh frick off.



You guys really need to stop getting your info from message board posters. Here's his contract per USAToday FOIA request.

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Should Kiffin leave before the end of the 2024 calendar year, he would owe the foundation a buyout of $4 million. That number drops to $3 million in 2025, $2 million in 2026 and stays at $1.5 million for the remainder of the contract starting in 2027.

Kiffin's buyout states that he has no duty to mitigate, meaning that any of his future earnings will not offset the amount owed to him by the foundation.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:26 am to
Was a retired lawyer wearing an Ole Miss shirt yesterday at TBT.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:28 am to
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pankReb


Thanks for clearing that up. At the end of the day Kiffin will make the choice on where he wants to coach, money won't matter because both schools and boosters have plenty. He may be perfectly happy with staying at Ole Miss, it is a great school and community, or he may want the challenge of going to UF. It will be interesting to see where this ends.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:28 am to
tell him to stop getting his info off of other message board posters
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:30 am to
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Thanks for clearing that up. At the end of the day Kiffin will make the choice on where he wants to coach, money won't matter because both schools and boosters have plenty. He may be perfectly happy with staying at Ole Miss, it is a great school and community, or he may want the challenge of going to UF. It will be interesting to see where this ends.


If he wanted a challenge, he would be going back to the NFL.

He already has us as a top-10 program. People keep saying UF has a much easier path to a championship so wouldn't that technically make it less of a challenge than at Ole Miss?
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:32 am to
I see Lane’s owed $35+ million if he’s fired…guess that old dude got confused.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:33 am to
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I see Lane’s owed $35+ million if he’s fired…guess that old dude got confused.


That's correct. Fired without cause.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:40 am to
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Florida owes 13 million immediately and then another 13 paid out over time. Woof.



Apparently the buy outs to coordinators and assistants is pretty steep as well.

CFB is out of control. Dieon Sanders has conned a reputable academic institute, an entire town and a sizeable segment of the population of a state. Jimbo Fisher robbed ATM. Sunbelt Billy is biding his time until he walks away with $20+ million dollars for doing a job that anyone with a pulse could do as well. Even coach O, loveable as he is. can be included. It is staggering the amount of money being spent and a good bit of it is simply being tossed out the window at respectable academic institutions. Even when the coach is doing a great to fantastic job its outrageous how much emphasis is being placed on CFB at what are supposed to be schools.
Posted by Jorts R Us
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:48 am to
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The point is Florida fires coaches the first sign that they have a down year. You can say “trajectory” blah blah but why would lane sign up for an unreasonable fan base when he can do whatever he wants in Oxford and still make the playoffs? If we have a down year next year after a huge roster turnover breaking in new starters nobody is going to yell at our AD to fire lane like they have recently done at Florida.


Unreasonable fanbase? Give me a break with that narrative. Which former UF coach has accomplished anything after they left UF?

As for Mullen, do you see him showing the slightest interest in any openings? Tells you all you need to know.

I don't think Lane is coming. It doesn't make sense and Ole Miss is in a better situation for a variety of reasons but this "UF fans are so unreasonable" narrative is so overplayed.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:49 am
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:59 am to
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Not at all.

Ole Miss is currently ranked #19 on Rivals versus UF at #34.

You’re using rivals for recruiting rankings? What do the legitimate websites say?
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:00 am to
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The point is Florida fires coaches the first sign that they have a down year.


Billy has had 2 full year failures. He's on track for a 3rd. At what point should we fire him?
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:01 am to
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You’re using rivals for recruiting rankings? What do the legitimate websites say?


they should be looking at "Talent Composite". but deep down, they know they don't want to.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:03 am to
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How many #1 portal classes do we have to sign before you realize that we are actually recruiting very well?

Let’s start with more than one.
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He's always going to have a moderate high school class and an excellent portal class.

We have seen multiple examples of that not being sustainable. Having 15-20th ranked recruiting class and a bunch of transfers is not going to have you regularly in the playoff imo. Especially in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 10:05 am
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