re: The Most Awesome Thread about CamGate

Epic thread.

How is this not stickied? Took me most of 2 days, but I've read it all.

Keeping up with this thread reminds me of Geraldo Rivera's prime time special on the secret Al Capone vaults.

After 2 hours of live action, no bodies or treasure was found. Hope this thread has a different outcome.

damnit, I left off at page 37 yesterday and wake up to page 59

I'm never going to finish

Here is the cliff notes without the background information on the parties involved. Most of this is speculation based on what we know and/or believe to be true.

1. Cecil Newton shops Cam to MSU. MSU doesn't pay and reports it to the SEC office. Cecil continues shopping Cam.

2. Slive/SEC request information from the AU AD/Compliance people. They reply that they didn't find anything. The power brokers at Auburn have played this game before (as learned from all the background links) and knew what to say to the SEC to attempt the clean sweep under the rug. Chizik, after all, was hired just to enable these guys to do just what is being alleged. Cam AND other players sign on and gives AU arguably their best recruiting class ever. This is with a less than stellar head coach reputation wise that went 7-5 the year before and 5-19 before that.

3. SEC/Slive accepts this answer because it is better if nothing comes of it and much easier than taking it seriously; especially considering AU was expected to win 7-9 games at best before the season. The barn going undefeated caused this to fester.

4. MSU is pissed at AU and the SEC. They followed protocol and were basically ignored on nothing more than AU's word. They were also probably not happy about the cowbell situation (as stupid as that sounds) and forwards everything they have to the NCAA directly.

5. Meanwhile the FBI is working on a seemingly unrelated case involving Alabama political gaming interests etc. As a side effect of their surveillance of the key figures (most notably huge AU booster and Victoryland owner Milton McGregor) they gain intelligence about the pay to play system currently in place at AU. It is known the FBI got wiretaps on McGregor. McGregor associates with Dye, Rane, Lowder and others connected directly to AU on a regular basis. These guys are caught discussing paying for multiple players and how they were doing it.

6. The FBI questions the NCAA if they know what is going on down at AU and suggests to some of this information to them. See, the FBI was involved from the beginning; they didn't just join the party. This was not the intent of the FBI's original investigation it was just a bonus of wiretapping powerful AU boosters. This just kind of fell into their lap and they passed it along to the NCAA. This is why this case is on the "fast track"; the NCAA has firm starting point thanks to the FBI. This is also why both the FBI and NCAA have been simultaneously interviewing known parties involved as well as some that were not known previously or haven't been made public yet. They needed to get testimony and match it up with the wiretap evidence.

7. The NCAA privately contact and SLAM Slive and company at the SEC for trying to sweep this under the rug (because that is how it looks to the NCAA). This is why Slive was so defensive and angry at the parties involved and felt like they didn't get the same information as the NCAA. Slive and the SEC did have SOME information though and chose to sit on it. Big mistake. Slive and the SEC will try to save face, but they are going to take a major hit once this is over.

8. Last Thursday: The powers that be at AU got a glimpse of the wiretaps and know they are in deep shite. They know they're done and that it is just a matter of time before it hits the fan. They go all in for real and decide to play Cam to go out in what one insider was reported of saying, "a blaze of glory"

9. Future: There is probably more to come this week, but a little farther on the horizon: Once the interviewers start making the rounds inside the power brokers at AU, the rats will come out and they will cannibalize each other in testimony not knowing exactly what the FBI/NCAA has and does not have on wiretap.


I numbered these so you guys could easily reference it and submit fixes/changes you think should be made. I will update if it seems reasonable. Also, if someone will dredge the thread for the background links I will include them.

RollTideTA...you automatically are disqualified before you even finish point 1...

There is NO tangible evidence at ALL that points to Cecil continuing to shop Cam post-MSU auction..
Even "dem turrible Knuckleheads" involved at MSU denied any knowledge or wrongdoing at ANY other University...In FACT...Tennessee, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas State and Arizona all say there was none of this 'shopping around'...if Cecil did it, it happened at MSU. That is why the investigation has been mostly at MSU and MSU alone, notwithstanding Saban's new little mail order frickpuppet Jody whatever..and AU because they have Cam...

The rest is internet banter created by a bunch of little children who masterbate using keyboard schadenfreude as their lube...

But don't let that interrupt the orgy of wishful projection and asinine "reasoning".

Cam Newton and his supporting cast will smoke Saban's arse in BDS in a week and a half...and his Down Syndrome Smile will haunt you all for a long time...

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There is NO tangible evidence at ALL that points to Cecil continuing to shop Cam post-MSU auction..

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I agree that you are right that so far there is no solid evidence that he did continue to shop his son around. But maybe you can answer a question that I haven't seen answered yet: If he was shopping him to MSU and MSU refused to pay, why would he let him go to auburn for free? What would make auburn so different that he would not ask them for money too?

I'm not trying to bash auburn, but it makes no sense

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imo (a source from a source from a source of course...) he realized "he dun goofed" and wanted to separate himself from that 'goof' rather quickly..BUT he also wanted his boy to stay in the SEC..it IS the best conference (regardless of what the other fricksticks from other frickstick conferences say) and would be his best chance to be seen weekly on TV...AU has a great recruiting staff now (whether or not "haterz" want to believe that..it doesn't change the fact that they ARE great recruiters)...and Auburn in itself is a damn special place...

I believe AU did no wrong in his recruitment..I also believe Cam's slave peddling daddy is a POS that tried to cover his track and save his and his son's arse by G'ingTFO of Starkvegas

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There is no "TANGIBLE evidence" to back up your version of events either.

So, your original point about other's opinions in this thread that he was shopped at other places is moot.

Good Day! (in best Paul Harvey voice)

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JoshuaChamberlain

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This thread did not ask for your opinion.

Good day.

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Thanks, I read a lot of it but not all 59 pages. Your cliff notes helps to kind of sum it up. Next, I think you should give us a list of names with info on how they are connected to this.

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Yeah that's definitely needed to... I'm hoping someone else does that part honestly

but if today is a really slow day I may dig back through and all the character links again